ScottishFox Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 And in the going too far section of the news today: Hakim Littleton. Police pull up to execute a warrant on a guy wanted for THREE homicides. As they are arresting the man, Hakim decides to pull out a pistol and take a head shot at the nearest cop. He misses and the cops, not liking being shot at, shoot him. This results in a protest! It's so bad the police end up releasing video of the incident (dash and badge cams) and the protesters don't care!? Remember when George Floyd and Breona Taylor kicked this whole thing off and we were looking at like 99% buy in from the public? Almost universal agreement that George Floyd was murdered and that no-knock warrants are intolerable. Now they're protesting because a wannabe cop killer died while shooting at cops. Insane. This kind of thing will derail broad public support and eventually lead to nothing changing. https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/crowd-gathers-at-scene-where-man-was-shot-and-killed-by-police-on-detroits-west-side https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/detroit-police-release-graphic-videos-of-man-firing-on-officers-before-being-fatally-shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted July 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 hour ago, ScottishFox said: This kind of thing will derail broad public support and eventually lead to nothing changing. Uh huh. When it comes to matters of progress (and a group that champions a particular sort of progress), focusing on outliers/extreme points-of-view as a means of discrediting the majority is a time-honored tactic. pinecone and Matt the Bruins 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 Because people aren't listening, just reacting. Also probably because others are trying to further their agendas by making sure things DON'T calm down. Lord Liaden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 Police in America have gotten away with too much for too long. The black community in general is unwilling to give them the benefit of the doubt. But I don't think this is going to derail anything. Overwhelming evidence of police abusing their authority, and being protected by the system, has come to light and been given a very high profile. Those who refuse to let their anger be assuaged by evidence in specific instances, and those who would use those instances as a justification for their abuses, are playing to zealots on each side, whose positions were already set in stone. The broader public has been forcefully apprised of the situation now, and that genie isn't going back in the bottle. Twilight, Ragitsu, Matt the Bruins and 3 others 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishFox Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 37 minutes ago, Ragitsu said: Uh huh. When it comes to matters of progress (and a group that champions a particular sort of progress), focusing on outliers/extreme points-of-view as a means of discrediting the majority is a time-honored tactic. I like pointing to extremes to show where we don't want to go. Keeping things in a moderate middle area is important. The extremes on both sides of the issue are very bad places that we do not want to go to. Defund all police? This will result in anarchy, death and mass destruction. Support police no matter what they do? This results in tyranny and a justice system that destroys lives and lacks justice. As it relates to the current BLM protests. Pushing for police reform and justice system reform is very good. They cannot get rid of no-knock warrants fast enough. I was all on-board with the early cases. Charging the cop in the Rayshard Brooks situation with murder for following the Atlanta PD guidelines for force was a brake-pumper for me. Was there cause for concern? Yes. Could it have gone better? Yes. But a murder charge? Too much. This last one? I can't support this one at all and if you're somehow supportive of protests against police shooting someone who is shooting at them while they arrest a triple-homicide suspect then we'll just have to agree to disagree. And I want progress. I want a more Norwegian style of incarceration and I want dirty cops to enjoy real justice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 I'm not going to be outraged at anyone shooting back if someone is firing a gun at them, full stop, whether it's a triple homicide suspect or a swat team who kicks in the wrong door and starts plugging away before assessing the situation. massey, Twilight, ScottishFox and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 Has anything happened about the guy who got killed by the sheriffs department in Los Angeles? CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted July 16, 2020 Report Share Posted July 16, 2020 On 7/14/2020 at 1:56 PM, Lord Liaden said: Police in America have gotten away with too much for too long. The black community in general is unwilling to give them the benefit of the doubt. But I don't think this is going to derail anything. Overwhelming evidence of police abusing their authority, and being protected by the system, has come to light and been given a very high profile. Those who refuse to let their anger be assuaged by evidence in specific instances, and those who would use those instances as a justification for their abuses, are playing to zealots on each side, whose positions were already set in stone. The broader public has been forcefully apprised of the situation now, and that genie isn't going back in the bottle. I really hope you're right. Americans, imo, have a tendency to let apathy settle in fast even when outrage is justified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted July 16, 2020 Report Share Posted July 16, 2020 On 7/15/2020 at 1:14 AM, csyphrett said: Has anything happened about the guy who got killed by the sheriffs department in Los Angeles? CES I'm afraid you'll have to be a bit more specific. There were two within 2 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranxerox Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 On 7/14/2020 at 10:14 PM, csyphrett said: Has anything happened about the guy who got killed by the sheriffs department in Los Angeles? CES 3 hours ago, BoloOfEarth said: I'm afraid you'll have to be a bit more specific. There were two within 2 days. I'm pretty sure csyphrett was referring to Andres Guardado. Here is the Wikipedia article on the killing. It is seems to be fairly up to date. Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 He reached for a firearm so I shot him, and then I shot him four more times while he was bleeding from the first time I shot him. Why does the LASD still exist? Let the LAPD take the section over and fire everyone from the Sheriff down. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 Is the LAPD an improvement? ScottishFox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 13 hours ago, csyphrett said: He reached for a firearm so I shot him, and then I shot him four more times while he was bleeding from the first time I shot him. Why does the LASD still exist? Let the LAPD take the section over and fire everyone from the Sheriff down. CES That's a start, then fire at least half of the LAPD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 13 hours ago, Old Man said: Is the LAPD an improvement? Ask the bear. Old Man, ScottishFox and Ternaugh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 Right now Portland appears to be in a sort of martial law. Federal officers in combat gear with no identification appear to be taking protesters off the street at random. They're not talking to city government or even Portland police, and nobody seems to be sure quite where the "suspects" are taken. This scares the Hell out of me. Matt the Bruins and TrickstaPriest 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 Right now Portland appears to be in a sort of martial law. Federal officers in combat gear with no identification appear to be taking protesters off the street at random. They're not talking to city government or even Portland police, and nobody seems to be sure quite where the "suspects" are taken. This scares the Hell out of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, Michael Hopcroft said: Right now Portland appears to be in a sort of martial law. Federal officers in combat gear with no identification appear to be taking protesters off the street at random. They're not talking to city government or even Portland police, and nobody seems to be sure quite where the "suspects" are taken. This scares the Hell out of me. It's not even clear whether they're actually law enforcement. pinecone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 They're DHS according to Acting Director Wolf. The problem is they are dumping these people at the courthouse with no charges. So essentially the federal government is committing a federal crime for reasons when the city of Portland has already said GTFO, and the courts have already said they can't do some of the stuff they have been doing CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BNakagawa Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 Expecting any portion of the federal government to act in accordance with the laws seems beyond reason at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. MID-Nite Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 10 hours ago, csyphrett said: They're DHS according to Acting Director Wolf. The problem is they are dumping these people at the courthouse with no charges. So essentially the federal government is committing a federal crime for reasons when the city of Portland has already said GTFO, and the courts have already said they can't do some of the stuff they have been doing CES DHS is barely disguised Gestapo at this point... pinecone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 10 hours ago, csyphrett said: They're DHS according to Acting Director Wolf. The problem is they are dumping these people at the courthouse with no charges. So essentially the federal government is committing a federal crime for reasons when the city of Portland has already said GTFO, and the courts have already said they can't do some of the stuff they have been doing CES 50 minutes ago, Dr. MID-Nite said: DHS is barely disguised Gestapo at this point... And that it's happening in Portland seems to reduce what should be the national shock of seeing a group of quasi-legal soldiers personally loyal to Donald Trump ruining around doing what they do. And some people seem to actually approve, though few at best are in Portland proper. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 DHS is also the umbrella for customs/ICE/border patrol. They aren't used to working like real cops, thank goodness CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, Michael Hopcroft said: And that it's happening in Portland seems to reduce what should be the national shock of seeing a group of quasi-legal soldiers personally loyal to Donald Trump ruining around doing what they do. And some people seem to actually approve, though few at best are in Portland proper. This really feels like a trial run. There's no point to kidnapping run of the mill protesters, questioning them at an undisclosed location, and then releasing them without charge. It might serve to intimidate and provoke, but that doesn't seem like sufficient justification to unleash the brownshirts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted July 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" was supposed to be a cautionary tale and not an amusing anecdote to be forgotten five minutes later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-heck-are-federal-law-enforcement-officers-doing-portland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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