Hermit Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 minute ago, BoloOfEarth said: That... would be ironic. Would they have to pepper-spray each other and beat themselves up? Oh they wouldn't need to. There would be journalists nearby to do that to. Matt the Bruins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 51 minutes ago, Hermit said: Oh they wouldn't need to. There would be journalists nearby to do that to. I know of people who would pay good money to see journalists pepper spray police and beat them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 Just now, archer said: I know of people who would pay good money to see journalists pepper spray police and beat them up. I ..should not laugh. Bad Moderator, bad. *clears throat* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted September 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 46 minutes ago, Hermit said: I ..should not laugh. Bad Moderator, bad. *clears throat* Hammurabi: "At least it's fair." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 An eye for an eye, a tooth for a "the Reporter made me fear for my life by recording me and asking questions while I was beating up a peaceful protester! Shove them both in the back of the the van" or something like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted September 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 That is why - despite being antiquated - his code is better behavior than the way most of these riot officers are treating protestors. Pariah, Hermit and pinecone 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted September 19, 2020 Report Share Posted September 19, 2020 Sheriff’s office leaders rewarded deputies who used force on the job with steakhouse gift cards...Among the deputies who received gift cards to places such as Logan’s Roadhouse were J.J. Johnson and Zach Camden, the officers involved in the March 2019 death of Javier Ambler II. Officers used their Tasers on the Black 40-year-old father four times as he gasped that he had a heart condition and could not breathe. https://www.statesman.com/news/20200917/officers-rewarded-for-use-of-force-with-steakhouse-gift-cards-former-williamson-deputies-say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted September 19, 2020 Report Share Posted September 19, 2020 44 minutes ago, archer said: Sheriff’s office leaders rewarded deputies who used force on the job with steakhouse gift cards...Among the deputies who received gift cards to places such as Logan’s Roadhouse were J.J. Johnson and Zach Camden, the officers involved in the March 2019 death of Javier Ambler II. Officers used their Tasers on the Black 40-year-old father four times as he gasped that he had a heart condition and could not breathe. https://www.statesman.com/news/20200917/officers-rewarded-for-use-of-force-with-steakhouse-gift-cards-former-williamson-deputies-say To be quite frank, a lot of people simply want to kill the people who they find mildly inconvenient or annoying. I wish I was joking. Ragitsu and pinecone 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted September 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2020 3 hours ago, archer said: Sheriff’s office leaders rewarded deputies who used force on the job with steakhouse gift cards...Among the deputies who received gift cards to places such as Logan’s Roadhouse were J.J. Johnson and Zach Camden, the officers involved in the March 2019 death of Javier Ambler II. Officers used their Tasers on the Black 40-year-old father four times as he gasped that he had a heart condition and could not breathe. https://www.statesman.com/news/20200917/officers-rewarded-for-use-of-force-with-steakhouse-gift-cards-former-williamson-deputies-say Nothing tastes better than steak and pumping electricity into a fellow human's body behind the safety of a blue shield. Mmmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted September 19, 2020 Report Share Posted September 19, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 5:41 PM, archer said: I know of people who would pay good money to see journalists pepper spray police and beat them up. I dont know. Me pulling for journalist feels too much like dogs pulling for Tom, in a Tom and Jerry cartoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted September 19, 2020 Report Share Posted September 19, 2020 34 minutes ago, Badger said: I dont know. Me pulling for journalist feels too much like dogs pulling for Tom, in a Tom and Jerry cartoon. Personally, I pull for the channel switching button on my remote during Tom and Jerry cartoons. Lawnmower Boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted September 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2020 Random T&J bashing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted September 19, 2020 Report Share Posted September 19, 2020 Just now, Ragitsu said: Random T&J bashing. I adore cats and like most cartoon mice. I just don't like the interactions of those two actors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted September 19, 2020 Report Share Posted September 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, archer said: I adore cats and like most cartoon mice. I just don't like the interactions of those two actors. As performers, they're pretty two-dimensional. Lawnmower Boy, Matt the Bruins and Pattern Ghost 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted September 19, 2020 Report Share Posted September 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Old Man said: As performers, they're pretty two-dimensional. Now Sylvester and Speedy Gonzales both had character.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 pinecone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 They'll fire for an animal, but not for a human... Grailknight and Lawnmower Boy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 How dark were these porcupines' coats? Old Man, pinecone and Lawnmower Boy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted October 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Cygnia said: They'll fire for an animal, but not for a human... Brandishing a deadly weapon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted October 25, 2020 Report Share Posted October 25, 2020 https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2020/10/an-anonymous-juror-in-breonna-taylors-case-just-made-a-startling-statement/ Quote Today, an anonymous grand juror made a startling disclosure about the controversial decision: The jury was not even given the option of indicting the officers for murder or homicide, even if they had wanted to. The disclosure came shortly after a court ruled that the anonymous juror could speak publicly about the grand-jury proceedings, which are normally kept confidential, after the juror accused Cameron of mischaracterizing the jury’s decision-making process to the public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted October 25, 2020 Report Share Posted October 25, 2020 That's because the officers weren't ever going to be charged with murder or homicide. The boyfriend defended himself against what he perceived as home invaders. Nobody has an issue with him firing on the police as far as I've seen. However, the police are in the very mirror of his situation: They were fired upon by someone who they assumed was the subject of a no knock warrant. Such warrants are issued under the presumption that there's a danger of the subject fighting or destroying evidence if a normal warrant is served. The officers were completely justified in returning fire. That bit of it means they aren't ever going to be charged with murder or a lesser level of homicide. Their perceptions of the situation count as much as the boyfriend's perceptions that also gave him a free ride on the fight. If I was looking for malfeasance on the part of the officers serving the warrant, I'd look at their crappy aim. I've seen police training materials online where the trainer or author advises suppressive fire. That is, putting up a defensive wall of lead. That's a military tactic and unsuitable for any urban civilian law enforcement situation I can think of. IF the officers were responding using such tactics, and IF it was a documented part of their training, I could see a very easy win in civil court against the department. I'm not saying I've seen evidence of such tactics in this case, but I'd damned sure be looking at their training if I was investigating, and evaluating it. You know who never gets held accountable in these cases? The person who f***s up the paperwork and puts the wrong address on it. The person who requests a no knock warrant when it isn't necessary. The judge who approves excessive numbers of no knock warrants. No knock warrants have been abused for decades, and these stories aren't new. And although minorities may bear the larger number of these f***-ups, I don't see this case as a racial issue at all. This is a no knock warrant issue. Hopefully, we elect a Congress that will ban them. ScottishFox and Hermit 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Pattern Ghost said: You know who never gets held accountable in these cases? The person who f***s up the paperwork and puts the wrong address on it. The person who requests a no knock warrant when it isn't necessary. The judge who approves excessive numbers of no knock warrants. No knock warrants have been abused for decades, and these stories aren't new. And although minorities may bear the larger number of these f***-ups, I don't see this case as a racial issue at all. This is a no knock warrant issue. Hopefully, we elect a Congress that will ban them. Exactly this. The problem isn't just the cops who served the warrant, it's the entire system that led a nurse to get gunned down in her own bed. Yet there is zero movement on the parties involved to reform no knock warrants, verify the informant's testimony, check whether the perp they're looking for hasn't already been picked up, or check whether they have the right address. Instead the only serious charges that were leveled were for the one cop who missed, and then the prosecutor intentionally fumbled the case in court. And while it might not have been a racial issue until the bullets started flying, if Breonna Taylor had been white, I guarantee you that there would have been a lot more effort to review and reform police procedures. Lee, Ragitsu and Matt the Bruins 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 The SWAT guys interviewed by the review investigation said the Taylor detectives screwed up everything and should have been shot since they were all standing in the door when they went in to arrest. Then they screwed up the after action. And the detective in charge was trying to file eight arrest warrants at the same time. SWAT was like hold your roll. And they went for this warrant anyway without threat assessment, or backup CES Pattern Ghost and pinecone 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted October 27, 2020 Report Share Posted October 27, 2020 23 hours ago, Old Man said: And while it might not have been a racial issue until the bullets started flying, if Breonna Taylor had been white, I guarantee you that there would have been a lot more effort to review and reform police procedures. I doubt it. This issue is far from new, and many white people have also been inadvertently killed. Yet it persists. Edit: Now, if you said ". . . if Breonna Taylor had been wealthy, " I'd agree. Grailknight and ScottishFox 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted October 27, 2020 Report Share Posted October 27, 2020 Use of police force is the #6 cause of death among black men in the US, with about 1 in 1,000 dying that way, as opposed to roughly 1 in 2,500 white men. Women of all races experience vastly lower levels of lethal force, though proportionally minorities are affected more often. https://isr.umich.edu/news-events/news-releases/police-sixth-leading-cause-of-death-for-young-black-men-2/ https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793 pinecone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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