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I'm not going to try to get into an argument on this.  I'm just going to state things as I see them.  It will be kinda long.  I am a defense attorney and was a public defender for nearly a decade.  So

I'm glad we have a police viewpoint in here.  One of the scoutmasters in our troop is a long time cop, and he has the best stories.  He's also apologetic for the bad apples and "bad shoots" that we us

My point is that it shouldn't matter if the boys in blue are chatting up Beelzebub out for a Sunday stroll; the actions of the person being questioned/stopped are what ought to matter. Putting that as

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No, I think you're spot-on in your assessment, and increasing blue-on-white violence by 150% probably wouldn't change anything because we know it wouldn't be rich, powerful white men getting killed. Just information for the general topic to highlight that for back men, dying at a police officer's hands is more likely than due to a stroke or diabetes.

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9 hours ago, Matt the Bruins said:

No, I think you're spot-on in your assessment, and increasing blue-on-white violence by 150% probably wouldn't change anything because we know it wouldn't be rich, powerful white men getting killed. Just information for the general topic to highlight that for back men, dying at a police officer's hands is more likely than due to a stroke or diabetes.

 

I agree that blue on black violence is a serious problem, and certainly, black lives matter.  That being said somewhere in the neighborhood of 9000 black men die each year of diabetes and close to 14000 die of strokes annually.  So, you will need to produce some receipts to convince me that police killings of black men get anywhere near those numbers

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14 hours ago, Matt the Bruins said:

No, I think you're spot-on in your assessment, and increasing blue-on-white violence by 150% probably wouldn't change anything because we know it wouldn't be rich, powerful white men getting killed. Just information for the general topic to highlight that for back men, dying at a police officer's hands is more likely than due to a stroke or diabetes.

 

Gotcha. And I'd say that no knock warrants do disproportionately affect blacks more than whites, because they disproportionately affect the poor, and poverty is disproportionate.

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3 hours ago, Pattern Ghost said:

 

Gotcha. And I'd say that no knock warrants do disproportionately affect blacks more than whites, because they disproportionately affect the poor, and poverty is disproportionate.

 

It is also possible that this could be a "chicken and the egg" scenario to some degree.

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6 hours ago, Pattern Ghost said:

 

If you mean poverty levels in black communities, that one's a pretty straight line cause and effect.

 

I mean the reason as to why certain police procedures disproportionately target minorities.

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This might be paywalled, but usually you get a few free articles a month:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/31/us/kentucky-state-police-hitler.html?action=click&module=Latest&pgtype=Homepage

 

For those who can't, the first paragraph is:

 

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A slide show once shown to cadets training to join the Kentucky State Police includes quotations attributed to Adolf Hitler and Robert E. Lee, says troopers should be warriors who “always fight to the death” and encourages each trooper in training to be a “ruthless killer.”

 

The slide was removed, but it's more telling to me that the slide's author was an assistant commander at the state police academy for *10 years*.

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New Jersey governor signs mandatory police body cam bill

 

The two bills, S1163 and A4312, will require all uniformed state, county and municipal patrol law enforcement officers to wear body cameras and keep them turned on while responding to a call for service or when initiating an investigative encounter. Exceptions include places where civilians can expect privacy, such as schools or medical facilities

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/527454-nj-gov-signs-mandatory-police-body-cam-bill

 

A lot of the problem with body cameras in other states seems to be that the officer (allegedly) forgets to turn his camera back on after turning it off (whenever he's legally allowed to turn it off).

 

It occurred to me that problem would go away if body cameras were set up so that they would automatically turn back on after a few minutes if the cop turns it off to go to the bathroom or whatever. Eliminate the excuse of "I forgot to turn my camera back on".

 

Give the camera a "vibrate" function like a cell phone to alert the officer that the camera is going to come back on. That'd make the officer have to consciously choose to hit the button to keep the camera off if he wants the camera off.

 

If they go to court over something, there's no video, and the cop says, "I forgot to turn it back on", they can point and say, "You deliberately hit the snooze button over and over which is the only reason there's no video. That's proof you knew you were doing something you weren't supposed to be doing and didn't want it recorded."

 

I haven't heard of any body cameras being set up so that they'd do that.

 

Thoughts?

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