Pattern Ghost Posted March 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 I just can't picture Superman being sucked into a jet engine. I imagine he'd get his cape tangled and drag the plane along behind him for a few miles before looking back distractedly to see what all that noise is, then realize he has to scrape yet another plane off. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Mostly I picture Superman flying by folks stuck in coach. They look out the window and see him smirk, yawn, and stretch easily. The hero rolls on his back and flies as if taking a comfy nap while the passenger staring at him gets his chair kicked from behind by some screaming brat, his own legs killing him as they're being asked to fit in a space that would make engineers from Tokyo go "That's not much room." And that's how anti-alien bigots are born. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Comic-book capes exist purely to look cool. They don't interfere with the activities of supers in any way, except for the rare plot-driven instances when a writer wants them to. The trailers for BvS have really driven this point home. Batman's fighting style in the most recent trailer completely ignores the presence of his cape, and when he crashes through that warehouse window his cape spreads in the classic bat-wing silhouette. That cape is almost certainly CGI in those action shots. The way Superman's cape is often shown flowing and fluttering in the wind also has to be CGI. Then we have the Vision's eerie cape in Age of Ultron, which they don't even pretend to animate like real natural cloth. OTOH I remember a mini-documentary on the making of the first Thor movie, in which the costume designer described the experiments they went through to develop a real practical cape for Thor that would look and move like what's in the comics. I'm sure there are clips of Chris Hemsworth tripping over it from time to time; but for the most part it seems to stay out of his way remarkably well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Starlord Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Dunno. He does have an 'average everyman' look to him and Man of Steel wasn't that popular. Plus there's lots of things to see in Times Square...maybe everyone was looking at that billboard monstrosity instead of the man below it. Honestly, I enjoyed him best as Albert Mondego myself. Thought he was perfect in that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Mostly I picture Superman flying by folks stuck in coach. They look out the window and see him smirk, yawn, and stretch easily. The hero rolls on his back and flies as if taking a comfy nap while the passenger staring at him gets his chair kicked from behind by some screaming brat, his own legs killing him as they're being asked to fit in a space that would make engineers from Tokyo go "That's not much room." And that's how anti-alien bigots are born. You're obviously mistaking him for Johnny Storm tormenting Ben Grimm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted March 19, 2016 Report Share Posted March 19, 2016 FWIW, here's something I posted on my FB page a few days ago that seemed to resonate with folks:A note to my fellow comic book nerds who are planning to go see Batman v Superman, despite having spent the last 3 years bitching about how awful Man Of Steel was, and despite being pretty sure this one's going to be just as bad. I'm not here to judge. I mean, I get it: it's Superman fighting Batman on the big screen and it's got Wonder Woman in it and there's no way you're missing that shit. I know, I'm there too. But I do have a modest suggestion: Don't go opening weekend. Heresy, I know! But the thing is, Hollywood doesn't actually care if we *like* their movies or not. They just care if we *see* them or not. And they especially care if we go opening weekend or not, because Hollywood judges the success of blockbuster movies largely on how big they open. So if you pay to see B-v-S on opening weekend, you are literally telling WB and Zack Snyder "Please make more movies like this! I couldn't wait to see it, and I can't wait to give you more of my money for the next movie like this you make!" It doesn't matter how much you rant afterwards about how the movie was a betrayal of everything these characters stand for; you already gave them your money, and that's all they care about. But if you wait a week or two to go see it? That's basically telling Hollywood "Yeah, it was okay but I wasn't dying to go see it, maybe if you changed a few things I'd be more eager for the next one, but no biggie." Same money, but very different perceived message. Plus, little-known fact: it's the exact same movie even if you see it a week or two after it comes out. I know, right?! Yeah, you may have to dodge spoilers for a week or two, but if it helps send a message to WB that their movies could be better? Totes worth it. The more you know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted March 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 I always go after opening weekend. I hate crowds. That said, I didn't think Man of Steel was horrible, though my (mostly non-comics reading) wife liked it a lot. So, we're going to see BvS in the theater, even though it's one that I'd be happy to wait to rent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 I thought Man of Steel was decent. The fact that Supes seemed to go out of his way to fight in populated areas really irritated me though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted March 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Yeah, it wasn't without its annoyances, but still OK. Much better than the one before it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 I wished ManOf Steel was in colour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuSoardGraphite Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 FWIW, here's something I posted on my FB page a few days ago that seemed to resonate with folks: A note to my fellow comic book nerds who are planning to go see Batman v Superman, despite having spent the last 3 years bitching about how awful Man Of Steel was, and despite being pretty sure this one's going to be just as bad. I'm not here to judge. I mean, I get it: it's Superman fighting Batman on the big screen and it's got Wonder Woman in it and there's no way you're missing that shit. I know, I'm there too. But I do have a modest suggestion: Don't go opening weekend. Heresy, I know! But the thing is, Hollywood doesn't actually care if we *like* their movies or not. They just care if we *see* them or not. And they especially care if we go opening weekend or not, because Hollywood judges the success of blockbuster movies largely on how big they open. So if you pay to see B-v-S on opening weekend, you are literally telling WB and Zack Snyder "Please make more movies like this! I couldn't wait to see it, and I can't wait to give you more of my money for the next movie like this you make!" It doesn't matter how much you rant afterwards about how the movie was a betrayal of everything these characters stand for; you already gave them your money, and that's all they care about. But if you wait a week or two to go see it? That's basically telling Hollywood "Yeah, it was okay but I wasn't dying to go see it, maybe if you changed a few things I'd be more eager for the next one, but no biggie." Same money, but very different perceived message. Plus, little-known fact: it's the exact same movie even if you see it a week or two after it comes out. I know, right?! Yeah, you may have to dodge spoilers for a week or two, but if it helps send a message to WB that their movies could be better? Totes worth it. The more you know... I actually rather liked Man of Steel, aside from some issues with the story. I probably wont see it opening weekend because of the crowds, but I probably will see it 2cnd week out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 If you liked MOS, that's great. I was just seeing a lot of "Can't wait for opening weekend even tho I know it's going to suck" posts on FB. (Personally I thought MOS was an abomination against man, nature, and all the gods...but no need to relive that debate!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bazza Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 3 days! Edit: but I'm gonna wait for it to be released on DVD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I thought Man of Steel was decent. The fact that Supes seemed to go out of his way to fight in populated areas really irritated me though. He didn't go out of his way to fight in populated areas. He simply fought the villains where they actually were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 He didn't go out of his way to fight in populated areas. He simply fought the villains where they actually were. He deliberately flew from empty cornfields to the heart of Smallville, then when the Kryptonians came after him specifically, he throws Non into the biggest explosive area in the town. In Metropolis, Zod is insanely trying to kill Kal-El NOT humans, yet he continually flies Zod into buildings instead of taking 2 seconds to fly out over the water...THEN is upset when Zod uses civilians against him at the end after Supes also bears some culpability that now thousands of people are likely dead. Protecting innocents and teammates is at the core of Superman's character. For example, Reeve's Superman left the battle in Superman 2, even appearing cowardly, rather than keep flailing uselessly and possibly getting more people hurt. Again, I liked the movie overall, but I'm not exaggerating when I say I started cringing during that final fight. PS: I understand the destruction will be focused on in this next movie. I am interested in seeing how this Supes deals with bearing responsibility for his actions and if he is MUCH more careful in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I'm hoping to see it either this week or the next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massey Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 From what I remember, Metropolis was where the big planet destroyer thing was. So that's where he had to go. Also, Supes was mostly losing that fight. He wasn't in control, and couldn't direct where they went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I thought the terraformer was in the Indian Ocean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 There were two of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 The Kryptonian machinery had been destroyed and any chance of Krypton returning was ended...the damage to Metropolis at that point was not Supes fault. After that Zod challenges Supes to a personal battle that destroyed half the city. Kal-El could have escaped and drawn him away several times, yet instead engages him multiple times toppling buildings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 I could've handled the "he did the best he could" excuse if the filmmakers had made even a slight attempt to show him *try* to lure Zod away and it not work. Or make any attempt to save a single civilian that didn't work for the Daily Planet. Or y'know, even look like he was remotely aware that thousands of people just died and that was somehow a bad thing... [deep breaths] Sorry. I realized 10-15 minutes in when Pa Kent chewed him out for saving a busload of kids that I wasn't actually watching a Superman movie, and just tried to enjoy it for whatever the **** it was. But apart from whether or not it was a good Superman movie, I still thought it was a shitty movie period. YMMV of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted March 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 I think that that's really the biggest flaw in the movie. The movie can't just have Superman be against killing, and always try to avoid harming innocents because it's in his nature. No, he has to screw up so that he can "learn" these things. As if just being a decent person isn't a good enough rationale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 No, he has to screw up so that he can "learn" these things. I could even have maybe handled that, if I felt like he actually learned something from it. But I never got the impression he was even aware of those deaths, let alone had any sort of emotional reaction to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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