Steve Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Regarding weight classes: not a chance. It's a good idea, and one I've considered before, but I can't even get everyone agreeing on what constitutes a legacy character or a focus wielding character; there's zero chance that agreement would exist on the different weight classes. That being said, I was considering making a season (3?) entirely a "non-powered" arena where combatants would be centered around the Nightwing/ Green Arrow/ Black Canary/ Captain America level. This would still need power levels established first, but there are so many fun characters, including the Golden Agers people like dipping into, that this might make for an interesting set-up. Thoughts? So you're suggesting a separate non-powered Arena league then? If Captain America is the top end of power, that still gives a good range. Would that mean then that the original Arena league would be for super-powered characters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psybolt Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 That being said, I was considering making a season (3?) entirely a "non-powered" arena where combatants would be centered around the Nightwing/ Green Arrow/ Black Canary/ Captain America level. This would still need power levels established first, but there are so many fun characters, including the Golden Agers people like dipping into, that this might make for an interesting set-up. Thoughts? I like this idea. A lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 I like it too. What would we call it to differentiate it from the original Arena? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psybolt Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 I like it too. What would we call it to differentiate it from the original Arena? It can just be season three Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Oh, so no true superhumans for Season 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbywolfe Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Another rule: Winning Teams have at least one Martian or Kryptonian. Martians and Kryptonians never lose. Far from being considered ridiculous Munchkins with every power in the Champions rulebook, they are fan favorites. This is the second time I have seen this sentiment and it is simply false. Miss Martian has lost 2 of 5 matches, 1/2 of her team matches and 1/3 of her solo matches. Martian Manhunter has lost at least one round this season. Powergirl has lost at least one round. I'm reasonably certain I remember Krypto losing at least 1 round last season despite his popularity. Martians and Kryptonians are tough to be sure, and generally popular, but claiming they "never lose" is just not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Honestly, while truly powerful, I'm pretty sure some of Krypto's votes came from folks who just love dogs I played that "A Superman's best friend" angle (Move over Jimmy) like a drum, which was easy, as I believe it and am a dog lover myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Power Girl lost in the first week, but I think that was because I paired her with Sinestro on a Monday. She's done pretty well since then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Regarding weight classes: not a chance. It's a good idea, and one I've considered before, but I can't even get everyone agreeing on what constitutes a legacy character or a focus wielding character; there's zero chance that agreement would exist on the different weight classes. That being said, I was considering making a season (3?) entirely a "non-powered" arena where combatants would be centered around the Nightwing/ Green Arrow/ Black Canary/ Captain America level. This would still need power levels established first, but there are so many fun characters, including the Golden Agers people like dipping into, that this might make for an interesting set-up. Thoughts? I'd be fine with a 'power nullifying arena' that pops up once every week and a half, but I'm not sure I'd have as much fun taking the powers out of it entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnStrawberry Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Martians and Kryptonians are tough to be sure, and generally popular, but claiming they "never lose" is just not true. Ok, ok, I was just venting. I've personally never beat one, but others have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 That being said, I was considering making a season (3?) entirely a "non-powered" arena where combatants would be centered around the Nightwing/ Green Arrow/ Black Canary/ Captain America level. This would still need power levels established first, but there are so many fun characters, including the Golden Agers people like dipping into, that this might make for an interesting set-up. Thoughts? I love this idea. I think we should do it. I am curious where the line would be drawn. We've already established that Captain America, Nightwing, Black Canary, and Green Arrow are in. Who's out? Ultimately, is it about powers vs. no powers, or is it about Damage Class (to use HERO terminology)? For example, which of the following characters would be eligible for such a contest, and which would not? Nightcrawler: Clearly superpowered, but not in a way that makes him a combat monster (if you'll pardon the expression). The Atom (Ray Palmer): No inherent superpowers, but super technology, mostly with noncombat applicability. Karate Kid: Technically has no superpowers, but somehow is able to go toe-to-toe with the likes of Superman. Stargirl: Has no superpowers, but has an OAF that makes her a formidable combatant. Kitty Pryde: Again, clearly superpowered, but but her powers are not primarily combat-oriented. Luke Skywalker: A great hand-to-hand combatant with the light sabre, but does his connection to The Force disqualify him? Worf: Greater strength, endurance, and pain tolerance than normal humans, but not particularly superhuman in any other way. Lady Stilt-Man: No superhuman powers, but with advanced technology (that most people don't take seriously). Taskmaster: Superhuman ability to copy other people's skills, but not superhuman powers. Naturally, I'm assuming that characters like Iron Man, Deathlok, Shaman, and all the Green Lanterns are right out. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 If it is limited to those without powers, we're probably looking at those who wouldn't look too out of place in Gotham City. Taskmaster and Karate Kid I could see, but not Nightcrawler or Kitty Pryde. Maybe a "no mutants" rule? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Silly concepts are important to me. So.... If I were playing this game, I would be tempted to draft up a team full of underground comix characters and allied "super"'s, and close out with disgusting, smelly, ugly, stupid ones from other sources. Wonder Wart-Hog would be my leadoff man, but throw in Cheech Wizard, Fat Freddy's Cat, etc. An intriguing if reprehensible team concept is "Who Had Who", a string of characters who were linked one-to-the-next by having slept with each other. Double points for things that were not human (or weren't any more). That's a disturbing line of thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 If it is limited to those without powers, we're probably looking at those who wouldn't look too out of place in Gotham City. Taskmaster and Karate Kid I could see, but not Nightcrawler or Kitty Pryde. Maybe a "no mutants" rule? I don't see the difference between Taskmaster and a mutant. Valor either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I love this idea. I think we should do it. I am curious where the line would be drawn. We've already established that Captain America, Nightwing, Black Canary, and Green Arrow are in. Who's out? Ultimately, is it about powers vs. no powers, or is it about Damage Class (to use HERO terminology)? If we go with this idea, it would still take some interpretation on my part, I'm sure. Generally, I'm thinking this: No physical abilities beyond super soldier level. No super/fantasy tech. Some limited chi style powers. For example, which of the following characters would be eligible for such a contest, and which would not? Nightcrawler: Out The Atom (Ray Palmer): Out Karate Kid: Probably in Stargirl: Out Kitty Pryde: Out Luke Skywalker: Out Worf: In Lady Stilt-Man: Out Taskmaster: In Naturally, I'm assuming that characters like Iron Man, Deathlok, Shaman, and all the Green Lanterns are right out. Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Black Canary would be out too due to her sonic cry, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Maybe. Very minor supers like Canary and Iron Fist would require more thought. Neither one has an overwhelming advantage over a Captain America type, for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 So low level supers are okay then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 If we go with this idea, it would still take some interpretation on my part, I'm sure. Generally, I'm thinking this: No physical abilities beyond super soldier level. No super/fantasy tech. Some limited chi style powers. Nightcrawler: Out The Atom (Ray Palmer): Out Karate Kid: Probably in Stargirl: Out Kitty Pryde: Out Luke Skywalker: Out Worf: In Lady Stilt-Man: Out Taskmaster: In Naturally, I'm assuming that characters like Iron Man, Deathlok, Shaman, and all the Green Lanterns are right out. Correct So if your super power is being a great fighter you can be in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 So if your super power is being a great fighter you can be in? Probably. It is still essentially a humanly attainable skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 If we go with this idea, it would still take some interpretation on my part, I'm sure. Generally, I'm thinking this: No physical abilities beyond super soldier level. No super/fantasy tech. Some limited chi style powers. Nightcrawler: Out The Atom (Ray Palmer): Out Karate Kid: Probably in Stargirl: Out Kitty Pryde: Out Luke Skywalker: Out Worf: In Lady Stilt-Man: Out Taskmaster: In Naturally, I'm assuming that characters like Iron Man, Deathlok, Shaman, and all the Green Lanterns are right out. Correct Hmm. Honestly, I'm not sure this leaves enough variety in the different characters to be interesting to me. It's like a remake of The Karate Kid with costumes. A little research, plus getting all the exams I'm grading over the next two weeks out of the way, may change my viewpoint, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Probably. It is still essentially a humanly attainable skill. His super power is being a better fighter than everyone. He fought "in fast forward." Without his powers he doesn't fight so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Hmm. Honestly, I'm not sure this leaves enough variety in the different characters to be interesting to me. It's like a remake of The Karate Kid with costumes. A little research, plus getting all the exams I'm grading over the next two weeks out of the way, may change my viewpoint, I suppose. There's lots of great choices in costumed heroes that don't have powers (or minor powers). For example, I might keep either the Rocketeer or Huntress from my current roster, and they are pretty different from each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Based on the above, I think the Rocketeer is probably out (Sci-fi tech, unless there is a Golden Age exception). Huntress would be a good choice. I'm still not sure why Black Canary would be in if Kitty and Kurt are out, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
薔薇語 Posted May 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 All the Bat family. All but one of the Watchmen. All the various Marvel Super Soldiers (Cap, Black Cat, Natasha, Red Skull, etc). And any number of the street level heroes like Dare Devil, Punisher, etc. That said, given the size of the rosters and the number of people playing, that list will shrink real quick. La Rose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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