Christopher R Taylor Posted March 26, 2019 Report Share Posted March 26, 2019 OK this panel includes details on what Zach Snyder wanted to do with Justice League and... well, let's just say he saw the previous films he'd done and thought "wow, those are too upbeat" See, Darkseid kills Lois Lane Superman goes berserk and evil Darkseid takes over the world The heroes have to go back in time to alter history to prevent that from happening This is the kind of story you do ten years down the road once you have an audience and built the universe up, it not what you smash fans in the face with two movies in, particularly having already really annoyed them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Snyder gave a recent Q&A (warning, Snyder uses bad words in his monologue) in which he doubles down on the dark tone of his films: Quote It’s a cool point of view to be like ‘my heroes are still innocent. My heroes didn’t ------- lie to America. My heroes didn’t embezzle money from their corporations. My heroes didn’t commit any atrocities.’ That’s cool. But you’re living in a ------- dream world. I didn't even quote the worst parts. I used to think Snyder just didn't get the source material. I was wrong. He actively dislikes the source material and is screwing it up on purpose. This dudebro needs to be forcibly removed from anything and everything having to do with comics, film, or public exposure. edit: Missed some profanity the first time around. Iuz the Evil and Starlord 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Quote He actively dislikes the source material and is screwing it up on purpose. Yeah I've read something like that before from him. He has his own version of morality where some things are evil and anything else is just living life and anyone who disagrees is either with the enemy or a childish dolt. Absolutely the wrong sort of person to be handling DC's hopeful romantic stories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Dear Zac Snyder, It's supposed to be a dream world, dumba$$. I go there to get away from crappy and/or boring reality for 2 hours a week! Sincerely Your average comic book fan. P.S. EXCELSIOR! Hermit, Spence, zslane and 4 others 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 I've never seen the point of putting people in charge who hate the source material, don't know the source material, or are apathetic toward the source material. And it doesn't matter if you are talking Snyder's DC movies, JJ Abrams Star Trek, or JJ Abrams Star Wars. Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voldor Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 4 hours ago, archer said: I've never seen the point of putting people in charge who hate the source material, don't know the source material, or are apathetic toward the source material. And it doesn't matter if you are talking Snyder's DC movies, JJ Abrams Star Trek, or JJ Abrams Star Wars. Me too. This is strange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagged Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 I think the worry about WB learning the wrong lessons for successful movies is a valid concern. That's what you see when you look at their history. Anyway, fingers crossed that Shazam is good and WB learn to trust the material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 On 3/8/2019 at 4:18 PM, Christopher R Taylor said: Aquaman didn't really interest me but I have read it was pretty entertaining if dumb (kinda like Guardians of the Galaxy). Really I don't want Dostoevsky when I go see a Superhero film, just to have fun and come out happy. Comparing it to Guardians, I found the story at least 20% more complex and layered. I mean how many Stories have the Hero solve a riddle via knowledge? I guess there are some elements that are similar (with Atlanteans being uninformed about Surface Culture), but that is just normal "Fish out of Water" storytelling (pun totally intended). 15 hours ago, Christopher R Taylor said: OK this panel includes details on what Zach Snyder wanted to do with Justice League and... well, let's just say he saw the previous films he'd done and thought "wow, those are too upbeat" See, Darkseid kills Lois Lane Superman goes berserk and evil Darkseid takes over the world The heroes have to go back in time to alter history to prevent that from happening This is the kind of story you do ten years down the road once you have an audience and built the universe up, it not what you smash fans in the face with two movies in, particularly having already really annoyed them. So a Nod to the Storyline of Injustice or the Justice Lords, just using Timetravel rather then alternate Dimension Travel to fix it? Those were some pretty good storylines. Also a bit dark, but that just goes with the Thematic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Quote And it doesn't matter if you are talking Snyder's DC movies, JJ Abrams Star Trek, or JJ Abrams Star Wars. Supposedly Abrams didn't like Star Trek, but was doing it as a demo to get the job of Star Wars, which he loves. But while Abrams can make visually impressive and distracting films, they're empty and frustrating. So you come out of the theater dazzled but increasingly as time goes on, annoyed and disappointed. Quote So a Nod to the Storyline of Injustice or the Justice Lords, just using Timetravel rather then alternate Dimension Travel to fix it? Those were some pretty good storylines. Also a bit dark, but that just goes with the Thematic. Sure, and I could see that... ten years down the road, after you've told other stories to set up the universe. Not right out of the box. Twilight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 11 hours ago, archer said: I've never seen the point of putting people in charge who hate the source material, don't know the source material, or are apathetic toward the source material. And it doesn't matter if you are talking Snyder's DC movies, JJ Abrams Star Trek, or JJ Abrams Star Wars. If I recall correctly, the person who originally started Smallville was a lesser version of this. It's why he swore there would never be a costume or Superman flying. He never understood the character. It's why it seemed like it took a few years to really get going, because he left. Course, I loved the Lex Luthor from the show and still despise Eisenberg's Luthor (I don't despise Eisenberg and like him in other roles). Sadly, I think someone else doing Dawn of Justice could have made Lex less Joker and more "sympathetic" megalomaniac. I think of Smallville Luthor or Lois and Clark Luthor - worked to be the height of human intelligence and economic/political power and then along comes a man who can fly. "Oh, one more thing. If you ever need to find me, all you have to do is look up." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 J.J. Abrams isn't as much to blame for Star Warts as Kathleen Kennedy is. She's the one who never "got" Star Wars growing up, doesn't particularly care for it, never wanted the job to oversee it, and decided that if she was going to be stuck with the job that she was going to make Star Wars "for people like her". And I suspect that's precisely what we got, despite J.J.'s best attempts to give us a continuation of the Star Wars saga the fans would recognize (which probably explains why The Force Awakens felt so much like A New Hope: Greatest Hits). And while the Smallville writer's bible said "No flight, no tights," I never felt that was because the showrunners didn't like or understand the superhero genre. No, that honor goes to Tim Kring, the creator of Heroes, who has gone on record numerous times saying he never "got" the whole "costumes and codenames thing," and so never made them part of his show. Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, zslane said: J.J. Abrams isn't as much to blame for Star Warts as Kathleen Kennedy is. She's the one who never "got" Star Wars growing up, doesn't particularly care for it, never wanted the job to oversee it, and decided that if she was going to be stuck with the job that she was going to make Star Wars "for people like her". And I suspect that's precisely what we got, despite J.J.'s best attempts to give us a continuation of the Star Wars saga the fans would recognize (which probably explains why The Force Awakens felt so much like A New Hope: Greatest Hits). I was slightly more willing to give JJ Abrams the benefit of the doubt before he contacted 50 (IIRC) science fiction writers to ask them which of the Star Trek the original series episodes that he should rewrite for his next movie. How lazy is it for Abrams to contact actual professional science fiction writers, most of whom would be thrilled to work on a Star trek movie, only to waste their talent by polling them about which fifty year old TV episode he should rip off for his next movie? Armory 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted March 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 20 hours ago, Christopher R Taylor said: OK this panel includes details on what Zach Snyder wanted to do with Justice League and... well, let's just say he saw the previous films he'd done and thought "wow, those are too upbeat" See, Darkseid kills Lois Lane Superman goes berserk and evil Darkseid takes over the world The heroes have to go back in time to alter history to prevent that from happening This is the kind of story you do ten years down the road once you have an audience and built the universe up, it not what you smash fans in the face with two movies in, particularly having already really annoyed them. I didn't know Sylvester Stallone was in Justice League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, archer said: I was slightly more willing to give JJ Abrams the benefit of the doubt before he contacted 50 (IIRC) science fiction writers to ask them which of the Star Trek the original series episodes that he should rewrite for his next movie. which one of hismovies was that for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted March 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, zslane said: J.J. Abrams isn't as much to blame for Star Warts as Kathleen Kennedy is. She's the one who never "got" Star Wars growing up, doesn't particularly care for it, never wanted the job to oversee it, and decided that if she was going to be stuck with the job that she was going to make Star Wars "for people like her". And I suspect that's precisely what we got, despite J.J.'s best attempts to give us a continuation of the Star Wars saga the fans would recognize (which probably explains why The Force Awakens felt so much like A New Hope: Greatest Hits). And while the Smallville writer's bible said "No flight, no tights," I never felt that was because the showrunners didn't like or understand the superhero genre. No, that honor goes to Tim Kring, the creator of Heroes, who has gone on record numerous times saying he never "got" the whole "costumes and codenames thing," and so never made them part of his show. If you have J.J. Abrams make DC Movies you know what you'll get. Lens Flares! Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, dmjalund said: which one of hismovies was that for? The not yet made, to the best of my knowledge, next Kelvin timeline Star Trek movie. The planned time travel one with Thor fell apart some time in 2018 because they couldn't get the actor onboard so I took it that this was a search for a replacement plot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Quote J.J. Abrams isn't as much to blame for Star Warts as Kathleen Kennedy is. She's the one who never "got" Star Wars growing up, doesn't particularly care for it, never wanted the job to oversee it, and decided that if she was going to be stuck with the job that she was going to make Star Wars "for people like her". And I suspect that's precisely what we got, despite J.J.'s best attempts to give us a continuation of the Star Wars saga the fans would recognize (which probably explains why The Force Awakens felt so much like A New Hope: Greatest Hits). I agree, but Abrams hasn't done anyone any favors, either. He's just not any good at visual storytelling, which is kind of his job as a director. He should stay second unit/cinematographer, which he's great at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 hours ago, archer said: The not yet made, to the best of my knowledge, next Kelvin timeline Star Trek movie. The planned time travel one with Thor fell apart some time in 2018 because they couldn't get the actor onboard so I took it that this was a search for a replacement plot. Neither Hemsworth nor Pine, at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted March 27, 2019 Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 Boy, that Kathleen Kennedy just wrecks everything that she touches! RDU Neil and Ranxerox 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted March 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2019 The DC Extended Universe did something no one in the World thought would happen. They made Aquaman the most popular male character in the movie series. At least until Shazam! Spence, Christopher R Taylor and massey 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 Just watched Aquaman. I liked it. Couldn't really find anything wrong with it*, and liked the way they integrated comic book elements. "I'm going to need a bigger helmet." *I'm giving it a pass for two Atlanteans walking across the Saraha nonchalantly and for the legs on the giant seahorses. Those seahorse legs were a little disturbing, though. Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, Pattern Ghost said: Atlanteans walking across the Saraha nonchalantly Apparently these Atlanteas do not have a requirement to stay moisturized. Instead what keeps them from occupation of the surface is that only Nobles can apparently breath air and water. The rest of the soldiers need a space suit equivalent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 19 hours ago, Cassandra said: If you have J.J. Abrams make DC Movies you know what you'll get. Lens Flares! He got most of them out of his System with the first Star Trek Film. 16 hours ago, Ternaugh said: Boy, that Kathleen Kennedy just wrecks everything that she touches! I did find the early Indiana Jones movies, ET, Gremlins Franchise, Back to the Future Francise, Hook and a host of other early films of her pretty good. Maybe it went downhill with 2000? But I do not know enough 2000's movies to clearly say it. 15 hours ago, Cassandra said: The DC Extended Universe did something no one in the World thought would happen. They made Aquaman the most popular male character in the movie series. At least until Shazam! To be fair, Aquaman being unfavored was really just a Superfriends aberation. Even his Justice League and JLU Cartoon appereances could not really wipe off that stain. But then there were plenty of Characters in that show that were just goofy. I mean how threathening can you make Joker, Darkseid or Braniac in a Saturday Morning Cartoon? So if anything, Aquaman was unfairly singeled out here as an example for the whole Show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Pattern Ghost said: Just watched Aquaman. I liked it. Couldn't really find anything wrong with it*, and liked the way they integrated comic book elements. "I'm going to need a bigger helmet." *I'm giving it a pass for two Atlanteans walking across the Saraha nonchalantly and for the legs on the giant seahorses. Those seahorse legs were a little disturbing, though. I ahven't seen it yet, but I plan to. I don't go to theaters that much anymore so I usually wait for movies to hit the rent option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted March 28, 2019 Report Share Posted March 28, 2019 43 minutes ago, Spence said: I ahven't seen it yet, but I plan to. I don't go to theaters that much anymore so I usually wait for movies to hit the rent option. Same here. We waited for Red Box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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