Bazza Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 So like Green Lantern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 Well, to be fair, the concept of building a cinematic franchise from the ground up is relatively new. For instance, the James Bond "franchise" was post facto, and not guaranteed to even become one just because the novels were popular. Nobody involved in the making of Dr. No thought of it as a franchise starter. The idea of putting out an initial film with the intention that it will kick off a big movie franchise (or "(shared) cinematic universe") is a very recent notion, and I have to agree with Old Man that it hasn't happened successfully yet. Even the teaser at the end of Iron Man was merely a testing of the waters to measure audience interest in the idea, but Marvel Studios didn't produce that movie with the confident foreknowledge that it would result in the MCU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 Marvel's shared universe was actually precedent-setting in the comics as well. Prior to that each starring comic-book character essentially existed in their own separate world. They would sometimes appear in each other's magazines, and of course there were team-up titles like Justice League; but the events in one character's title never impacted the others, and each hero had his or her own rogues gallery who almost never crossed over with other heroes. Christopher R Taylor, archer and Netzilla 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. MID-Nite Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 23 hours ago, Bazza said: So like Green Lantern. While the film was mostly mediocre, Mark Strong's Sinestro was amazing. in fact, I'd have been fine had the entire film been about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 Everyone else seems to hate the GL film (geek consensus) but I enjoyed it. assault 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 As shared universes go, Howard Phillips Lovecraft, Robert Ervin Howard, and Clark Ashton Smith created one in the 30s* in the pulp magazines. *IIRC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Bazza said: As shared universes go, Howard Phillips Lovecraft, Robert Ervin Howard, and Clark Ashton Smith created one in the 30s* in the pulp magazines. *IIRC They had what we would call "shout outs" and "call backs" to one another but I don't think it rose to the level of a shared universe. Lucius Alexander Riding a palindromedary from Arkham to Aquilonia? zslane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 Yeah, Lovecraft shared elements (gods, creatures, artifacts, but not events) of his mythos with other authors, but there was no attempt to make everything inhabit a single common fictive universe. Implicit in the cosmology was the idea that it could all be inhabiting a common multiverse, which of course Azathoth would be presiding over, but none of it resembles the cohesive continuity of superhero comic books or the MCU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted August 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 Night of the Living Dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 The Thieves World fantasy anthology series might count, along with other anthologies inspired by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trencher Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-45166592 Ruby Rose is getting put through the wringer because some fans dont want her to play Batwoman. I watch her as Batwoman in a movie or show. People are going overboard imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Quote The Thieves World fantasy anthology series might count, along with other anthologies inspired by it. I was thinking of the Sanctuary/Thieve's World books as well. That was a deliberately designed shared world, but it isn't quite the same in that its less about a bunch of characters who happen to be int he same universe as a universe that happens to have lots of characters. So it isn't really a shared universe, its just a lot of writers working on the same universe. As for Batwoman I really have no concern for who plays the character, as I have no interest in the show or the character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 5 hours ago, Trencher said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-45166592 Ruby Rose is getting put through the wringer because some fans dont want her to play Batwoman. I watch her as Batwoman in a movie or show. People are going overboard imo. The stupid is awesome. I'm particularly amused by the "not lesbian enough" stuff. Oh dear, the gatekeeping. Trencher, Armory, Grailknight and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 I think the only point of concern with regard to Ruby Rose should be her acting ability, or lack thereof. She has a great look, but it remains to be seen if she can act well enough to pull off the role convincingly. Her real life sexual orientation is, and should be, utterly irrelevant. If fans really want to complain about anyone "not being lesbian enough," then they should wait until the Batwoman show airs (assuming it even gets greenlit as an independent series), see how she's portrayed, and then complain to the showrunners and WB if they aren't satisfied. Ruby herself will have little say in the matter, so aiming SJW cannons at her is pointless. Christopher R Taylor, Matt the Bruins and Armory 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 This whole 'you have to be the exact character or you cannot play the role' thing is just truly obnoxious. Its acting, people. That guy dressed up as Chewbacca is not, in fact, a wookie. Benedict Cumberbatch is neither a surgeon or a sorcerer. Cate Blanchett is not an elf. Get a grip. Hermit, Lord Liaden, Netzilla and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Yeah, George Lucas really messed up in his solemn duty towards representation in film by not casting an actual wookie to play Chewbacca. He was further derelict in this duty when he failed in the same way for Ewok representation. Actually, hiring humans for all his aliens was simply unforgivable. He should be ashamed of himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 I've yet to see any evidence that Ruby Rose can act, but her personal life plays no role in my skepticism about casting her. My main thought was "well, this means she can't be cast as a DC character I have any interest in, so good." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Ruby Rose kind of plays herself in any role, but it could work for Batwoman. And I had no idea that Chewbacca was played by a human man in wookieeface, and not an actual wookiee. I am outraged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 And no Asgardians to play Asgardians. Outrageous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grailknight Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Just saw The Meg and she was fairly good in it. As for the SJW's, since she outed as a lesbian when she was 12, I guess it's because she's not Jewish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 The issue appears to be that she describes herself as "gender fluid", that is, "kind of trans sometimes". For certain gatekeepers, that disqualifies her as a lesbian. Also, the term "SJW" isn't useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Old Man said: Ruby Rose kind of plays herself in any role, but it could work for Batwoman. I think it could. A lot of superhero characters work because of their casting, and I think she's got this role down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 22 hours ago, zslane said: Yeah, George Lucas really messed up in his solemn duty towards representation in film by not casting an actual wookie to play Chewbacca. He was further derelict in this duty when he failed in the same way for Ewok representation. Actually, hiring humans for all his aliens was simply unforgivable. He should be ashamed of himself. Lucas's final decision on those points, to hire a tall Ewok to play Chewbacca and short Wookies to play the Ewoks, ultimately satisfied no one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted August 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 2 hours ago, archer said: Lucas's final decision on those points, to hire a tall Ewok to play Chewbacca and short Wookies to play the Ewoks, ultimately satisfied no one. Well that explains hiring Laura Dern. Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 Did Lucas have anything to do with casting The Last Jedi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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