archer Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Christopher R Taylor said: Crisis on Infinite Earths was a great reboot, so DC has shown they CAN do it, plus Ms Jenkins did well with the property so... we'll see. I'm just not confident. I thought Crisis on Infinite Earths was a great story. But I wasn't as impressed with it as a reboot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 DC Comics showed they could do a successful reboot -- once. Their successive reboots were highly questionable. Warner has not had even one such success to inspire confidence. Moreover, Crisis on Infinite Earths was conceived of from the beginning as a universe-resetting event, not tacked on to something else as an afterthought. And it was spaced out over twelve issues in an entire year, not crammed into one movie. RDU Neil and Pattern Ghost 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 3 hours ago, slikmar said: Hmm, so they already took Superman being the personification of Hope and gave it to Wonder Woman. Now they take one of Flash's biggest storylines and give it to her. Next I am sure she will deal with the Killing Joke. After that, she will realize if she takes all the Green Lantern's rings, she can go back in time and fix things so Steve doesn't die in WW1. It's all about the spin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 4 hours ago, slikmar said: Hmm, so they already took Superman being the personification of Hope and gave it to Wonder Woman. That's one of the things the two have always had in common. I don't think the DCEU's crappy portrayal of Superman has anything to do with their decent depiction of Wonder Woman. zslane, Christopher R Taylor and pinecone 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 At least the success of WW convinced Warner that not all their superhero characters should be dark and brooding. Of course they probably went too far in the other direction, but at least it's a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 The forthcoming Aquaman and Shazam movies appear to have benefited from that revelatory insight. But three (tonally) tolerable superhero movies do not a successful shared-universe franchise make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 I still can't get over how terrible the trailer for Shazam looks. Wisdom of Solomon?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 On 10/17/2018 at 7:02 PM, Starlord said: He probably doesn't like "Fish Guy" either. Anyone else find it funny that Ronon Dex is now becomming the King of Atlantis? Lord Liaden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 Quote The forthcoming Aquaman and Shazam movies appear to have benefited from that revelatory insight. But three (tonally) tolerable superhero movies do not a successful shared-universe franchise make. If they can pull it off, though, that does start to win back some trust and goodwill from the audience. And I agree, Shazam is going too far with the "he's a kid in a man's body" thing to the point of ignoring the character's basic abilities. To be fair he was pretty much an idiot in his early comics, too. The simplest stuff would fool him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Christopher R Taylor said: If they can pull it off, though, that does start to win back some trust and goodwill from the audience. And I agree, Shazam is going too far with the "he's a kid in a man's body" thing to the point of ignoring the character's basic abilities. To be fair he was pretty much an idiot in his early comics, too. The simplest stuff would fool him. Most recent Interpreations (Young Justice, DC Animated Universe) seem to focus on his childlike personality features. It is only sensical that the live action one does too. That and being magic (and thus able to combat superman effectively) are his two trademarks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Christopher R Taylor said: If they can pull it off, though, that does start to win back some trust and goodwill from the audience. Perhaps. But at the same time they have a Joker movie and a Birds of Prey movie in the works, both of which are in tonal opposition to the other movies on the slate. WB/DC should publicly abandon any notion of a shared cinematic universe and just make it explicit that from now on they only intend to make standalone movies that may or may not have minor crossover potential here and there. The longer they cling to the DCEU as an umbrella under which all their superhero movies huddle, the longer it will take to convince fans that the whole thing isn't (still) a massive hot mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 5 hours ago, Christopher said: Anyone else find it funny that Ronon Dex is now becomming the King of Atlantis? Good grief, that never even occurred to me! Me am dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 1 hour ago, zslane said: WB/DC should publicly abandon any notion of a shared cinematic universe and just make it explicit that from now on they only intend to make standalone movies that may or may not have minor crossover potential here and there. The longer they cling to the DCEU as an umbrella under which all their superhero movies huddle, the longer it will take to convince fans that the whole thing isn't (still) a massive hot mess. The problem with the above is that I recall an article that stated that WB/DC never publically annouced that it was a shared universe and that it was to be called DCEU. The DCEU is an industry & fan term with DC never confirming them (to my knowledge). So publically abandoning it is non-event to begin with. edit: found this: https://www.slashfilm.com/dc-extended-universe-name-is-a-joke/ edit 2: DC may have clung to an interconnected universe model so you are right to assume such in the quote above. The name of this universe was apparently unnamed officially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 The DCEU term was never official, no; but BvS was obviously introducing a shared universe, and Warner's previously announced (and now suspended) slate of film followups to Justice League clearly intended to pursue that goal. So standalone movies would be a clear change in direction, whether or not the old direction was ever spelled out in so many words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 They've had both interconnected and non-connected movies on the slate, so were never as focused on the shared universe thing as Marvel. I think that it was mostly confined to JL. IIRC, they even had two different versions of the Joker slated to come out around the same time. I'll be happy if Aquaman is as good as its trailers and they pull back from messing with Wonder Woman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 5 hours ago, Christopher R Taylor said: If they can pull it off, though, that does start to win back some trust and goodwill from the audience. And I agree, Shazam is going too far with the "he's a kid in a man's body" thing to the point of ignoring the character's basic abilities. To be fair he was pretty much an idiot in his early comics, too. The simplest stuff would fool him. Depends on what your expectations of "The Wisdom of Solomon" entails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Greywind said: Depends on what your expectations of "The Wisdom of Solomon" entails. "Wisdom does not imply maturity" - Wonder Woman, Young Justice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 Wise enough to know, young enough not to care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted October 27, 2018 Report Share Posted October 27, 2018 I think the S represents someone other than Solomon (Sampson) in the movie IIRC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 Honestly I'd prefer that DC was less interconnected and was more like the comics: not everything is a huge mega event. Same shared world, but not constantly pushing the "we're building up to the next Avenger movie" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 6 hours ago, Pattern Ghost said: They've had both interconnected and non-connected movies on the slate, so were never as focused on the shared universe thing as Marvel. I think that it was mostly confined to JL. IIRC, they even had two different versions of the Joker slated to come out around the same time. I'll be happy if Aquaman is as good as its trailers and they pull back from messing with Wonder Woman. I'd be interested in what was considered non-connected (other then Shazam maybe), since Birds of Prey and Joker both feature characters/actors shown in Suicide Squad and the opening of SS had the Ben Afleck Batman arresting Deadshot and also a post scene with Amanda Waller handing Bruce Wayne a folder on the various supers. So, the DCEU has been Man of Steel followed by BVS where WW appeared before her own movie, before SS had Batman appear, before JL. Again, only Shazam seems to MAYBE be outside the DCEU. Hmm, maybe Flashpoint type thing in WW will be her showing up to rescue Johnathon Kent during the storm and explaining to a young Clark to never be afraid to help people in need. Then she can go B!tch Slap Batman and say Never Kill, Never use guns they just escalate things and make you a villain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 I could be wrong. I'm not going to look it up though, because that would require effort. So, I'll just assume you're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 You should have seen the look of utter horror on my GM's face last night when I told the table that they were delaying Wonder Woman 2 so that they could work in aspects of Flashpoint for a reboot of the DC movie universe. He felt that if they wanted to change actors or tone, then they should just do it, and say, "that's how it is now". He also had words to the effect that the Flashpoint storyline should just be retired, as it's been done to death in other media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 At this point I think DC would do better with a definitive "We get it, things are different now" statement, but it probably would work over time if they just put out a better Superman film and ignored what had gone before. Matt the Bruins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Ruggels Posted October 28, 2018 Report Share Posted October 28, 2018 On 11/13/2017 at 12:22 PM, Starlord said: PS: Anyone noticing a common denominator re: the faults in all these DC movies? Zack Snyder? Christopher R Taylor, Matt the Bruins and drunkonduty 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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