Cassandra Posted December 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 hour ago, zslane said: Yeah, I agree that this last season of AoS has the reek of a slashed production budget. But I think they're doing a pretty fine job given those constraints. The CW shows generally do a better job of squeezing production value out of a shoestring budget, but it is evident that none of that money goes towards hiring decent writers, which is a critical problem in my view. Yes, I think you're being too hard on Marvel (and Supergirl, shame on you). But you are definitely not being too hard on The Inhumans. Nor would you be unfairly harsh by calling Iron Fist a steaming pile as well. However, I think the overall high quality of Marvel's live action efforts so vastly overshadows their occasional failures, that it is unfair to pretend like those failures define Marvel on television. Fair enough, but don't make me mention The Gifted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Flash etc on WB are all basically teen soap operas that happen to have costumes and special effects. The writing is abysmal, and Flash especially does so poorly with his powers in terms of what he can and cannot do, its ridiculous. In the same show he can dodge bullets but not a fist. After a while your ability to suspend disbelief out of the desire for the show to not suck just breaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted December 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, Christopher R Taylor said: Flash etc on WB are all basically teen soap operas that happen to have costumes and special effects. The writing is abysmal, and Flash especially does so poorly with his powers in terms of what he can and cannot do, its ridiculous. In the same show he can dodge bullets but not a fist. After a while your ability to suspend disbelief out of the desire for the show to not suck just breaks. Be that as it may, it's still not Saw/Hostel that Agents of SHIELD has become. The writers seem to delight in torturing their characters and then have them pull out a solution at the last moment. And this season is particular infuriating because it's basically abandoned the universe they created. At the end of last season SHIELD was framed for a series of crime and considered a terrorist organization once again, and instead of trying to clear their good names went to have dinner and allow themselves to be captured by aliens for some reason. It's what I like the "Thelma and Louise" option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Cassandra said: Of course his weakness is his repeating the same plots over and over and over again. He may actually be stuck in a time loop. From what I have seen of the show, it is all time loops. It's like the love child of Doctor Who and Star Trek TNG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted December 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 22 minutes ago, Old Man said: From what I have seen of the show, it is all time loops. It's like the love child of Doctor Who and Star Trek TNG. I loved Tom Baker and Leela. Baker was so good in The Zany Adventures of Robin Hood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Agents of SHIELD was a failure from the first episode, but that was by the very design and concept of the show. Instead of being about SHIELD it was about yet another Joss Whedon super waif and the team around her. Instead of being about an international organization dedicated to keeping peace and fighting international bad guys it was about dumb little meaningless plots vaguely related to a superhero world. Agents of SHIELD was used as Disney's Animatrix, stuff that sets up later movies rather than stories for themselves. They even made me dislike Agent Coulson, the most likable guy in the Marvel cinematic universe. I tried and tried to give that show a chance, and while it had a few entertaining bits, it was overall dreary and just completely missed the target. Like, facing the other way from where the target is. Cassandra and Matt the Bruins 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 AoS didn't get interesting until almost the end of Season 1. I was compelled to follow it through the Hydra/Gideon Malick storyline, but fell off after that. I hear good things, but the only show I even sort of have time to follow is Orville, and then only because I DVR the hell out of it. I'd also love to keep watching Vikings and Last Kingdom and Gifted and Legion and so on, but there's no way. Cassandra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted December 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 27 minutes ago, Christopher R Taylor said: Agents of SHIELD was a failure from the first episode, but that was by the very design and concept of the show. Instead of being about SHIELD it was about yet another Joss Whedon super waif and the team around her. Instead of being about an international organization dedicated to keeping peace and fighting international bad guys it was about dumb little meaningless plots vaguely related to a superhero world. Agents of SHIELD was used as Disney's Animatrix, stuff that sets up later movies rather than stories for themselves. They even made me dislike Agent Coulson, the most likable guy in the Marvel cinematic universe. I tried and tried to give that show a chance, and while it had a few entertaining bits, it was overall dreary and just completely missed the target. Like, facing the other way from where the target is. I liked Chloe Bennett, and the cast gave it a good try, but they were dragging a safe with the plots. The lack was a proper villain. Except for the late Bill Paxton no Marvel show has had an interesting villain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted December 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 24 minutes ago, Old Man said: AoS didn't get interesting until almost the end of Season 1. I was compelled to follow it through the Hydra/Gideon Malick storyline, but fell off after that. I hear good things, but the only show I even sort of have time to follow is Orville, and then only because I DVR the hell out of it. I'd also love to keep watching Vikings and Last Kingdom and Gifted and Legion and so on, but there's no way. Good choice for watching The Orville. Agents of SHIELD was crazy to let Adrienne Palicki go. Pattern Ghost and Ternaugh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 I think she was only "let go" because they were going to spin Mockingbird off into her own show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 I would disagree with no marvel show has had a good villain. I thought D'onofrio's Kingpin/Fisk was excellent, and Tennant's Purple Man was scary evil. Netzilla, bigdamnhero and Armory 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netzilla Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 Madam Gao was pretty cool too. Jagged 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 53 minutes ago, slikmar said: Tennant's Purple Man was scary evil. I just wish he was actually...wait for it...purple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Fisk is a good villain, very interesting and well done. Other than that, though, not really. I mean they're setting up Jigsaw to show up in Punisher, but while I liked some of Power Man (sorry Luke Cage) it really didn't have any good bad guys. I mean Cottonmouth was pretty interesting as a person but no particular threat. I liked the evil politician woman as a bad guy but she was just annoying, not dangerous. I couldn't stand Jessica Jones so I don't even care what Tennant was like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 I agree that Fisk and Kilgrave were amazing villains. Kilgrave was especially effective as a villain. And while I personally felt he had to die, it was nevertheless a shame to lose him. I felt that the villains of Luke Cage were mostly lame and uninteresting; the stakes were just too small and inconsequential to get me to care about what was going on. And the less said about Iron Fist, the better. The main "villain" in Punisher is basically Corrupt Government Official #16 (Rawlins), which is a trope that I just feel is completely played out by now. It is only because I really like the cast and the quality of the writing (despite the paint-by-numbers plot) that I give Punisher a passing grade. So yes, I agree that nearly all superhero shows (not just Marvel's) suffer from the problem of having a bland or cheesy villain (season after season). But Marvel has had some truly standout villains they can feel good about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranxerox Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 The Gifted has pretty good production values, but I wasn't able to maintain interest in it. OTOH, I have been really enjoying The Runaways, though I am getting a little impatient for they to actually, you know, runaway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 Yep, like Ranxerox, I'm waiting for the Runaways to leave home. Or at least form a band and cover Cherry Bomb. Jagged, Christopher R Taylor and Armory 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 I think the best comic book villain on television by a wide margin is Aubrey Plaza as the Shadow King on Legion. Which also gets my vote for best comic book show, although it's almost nothing like the source material. bigdamnhero and Iuz the Evil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 For what it is worth, I found Legion unwatchable. Starlord 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st barbara Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 3 hours ago, Bazza said: Yep, like Ranxerox, I'm waiting for the Runaways to leave home. Or at least form a band and cover Cherry Bomb. Now THAT would be cool ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st barbara Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 And I bet that "Runaways" only screens on ****** "Netflix" or some other streaming service ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, st barbara said: And I bet that "Runaways" only screens on ****** "Netflix" or some other streaming service ! Hulu. And they're releasing one episode per week, instead of all at once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 On 12/17/2017 at 6:33 PM, Pariah said: The only major character I care about less than Batman is Squirrel Girl. I just realized that I posted this in the wrong thread. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted December 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 20 hours ago, Old Man said: I think she was only "let go" because they were going to spin Mockingbird off into her own show. She was going to be in a Dominic Fortune TV show but it fell apart because no one knew who Dominic Fortune was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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