Lord Liaden Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 The real Deathstroke group. The DuMorte brothers, aka Requiem (formerly called Deathsinger) and Frost (who was renamed Chiller for the 4E revision of Deathstroke), are still active, and written up in CV 2. They're trying to build a new Deathstroke, after the deaths of Stinger, Shockwave, Death Commando, and Scatterbrain, and the brothers' imprisonment in Stronghold (according to official continuity). BTW the insect-man villain Hornet, in CV 3, has virtually the same origin as Stinger, and is plainly intended as a recast of that character for the updated setting. Quite a few of the new official villains are obviously based on earlier ones, with changed names and other tweaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 So looking through my books, these are the villians from Enemies 1, 2, and 3, that I didn't find in the 6th edition villian books. Some however from those three books were in Classic Enemies that aren't in the 6th books, and I've listed them under the Classic Enemies book. If you see any I have listed that were in the 6th books and I mistakenly have them listed, let me know! Enemies 1 Agents of Genocide Frizbee Minute Man MK-V Mongoose Sledge Wyvern Enemies 2 Arc Dart Diamond Fire and Ice Orb Poinsetta Ultraviolet Enemies 3 Aerion Big John Brusier Buffalo Bullet Dark Angel Darkon Demonfire Cryotron Earthmaster Gaussian Green Knight Jabberrock Juggernaut Red Rapier Sergeant Supreme Spectra Starseer Stronghammer The Corrupters of All Classic Enemies Dragon Master Beamline Black Mamba Charger Durak Fox of Crime Giganto Griffon Halfjack Hideous Ladybug Le Sone Oculon Panda and Racoon Plasmoid Power Crusher Rainbow Archer Ray Shamrock Sparkler Thok Thunder and Lightning Okay, as per my previous post, I can specify characters and groups which have replaced the ones cited above for the 6E Villains books, and in Champions Universe or other books for the official setting. Genocide's anti-mutant role in the CU has been superseded by the Institute for Human Advancement (IHA). The IHA also uses Minuteman robots; while there's no 6E character sheet for those, one was included in the 5E edition of Champions Universe. Big John, Bullet, and Starseer, who made up the mercenary team, Bullet's Raiders, were translated into a very similar team, Merc-Force 1, made up of Stareye, the Cahokian, and Piledriver. Quite different backgrounds, but design-wise much alike. Earthmaster's "Earth Crown of Krim," origin of his powers, was subsumed into the Crowns of Krim villain team. Said team includes an earth-and-stone manipulating villain, Temblor. Durak, and Le Sone (now called "Ultrasonique") are both still members of Eurostar. Dragonmaster has practically the same origin and history as the current villain, Spirit Fist. The Fox of Crime is semi-retired, but the secret patron of GRAB (although there's no character sheet for him). Giganto survived the murder of Prof. Muerte and end of Terror Inc., and has since joined South America's premier hero team, the Victory Brigade. Halfjack and Oculon are both members of VIPER's Dragon Branch, with full 5E write-ups in VIPER: Coils Of The Serpent. Hideous has effectively been replaced by a villain called Grotesk -- different origin, but same powers and similarly cosmetically-challenged. There's a villain called the Gryphon in the 5E adventure, Shades Of Black; again, different origin, but very similar character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjd59 Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 So what you're saying Lord Liaden, aside from what you stated above, the list looks pretty much ok? As far as villians who didn't make it into 6th that is. I didn't look at the 5th edition books in making this list (probably should have) as I was only looking to see which didn't step up to 6th. Thanks for adding the updates you did, I'll have to take a look at them in the books! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 How could I forget Frisbee? I've uses her a number of times. One time called Disco Diva and another as a recast called Diskmaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted March 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 So looking through my books, these are the villians from Enemies 1, 2, and 3, that I didn't find in the 6th edition villian books. Some however from those three books were in Classic Enemies that aren't in the 6th books, and I've listed them under the Classic Enemies book. If you see any I have listed that were in the 6th books and I mistakenly have them listed, let me know! Enemies 1 Agents of Genocide Frizbee Minute Man MK-V Mongoose Sledge Wyvern Enemies 2 Arc Dart Diamond Fire and Ice Orb Poinsetta Ultraviolet Enemies 3 Aerion Big John Brusier Buffalo Bullet Dark Angel Darkon Demonfire Cryotron Earthmaster Gaussian Green Knight Jabberrock Juggernaut Red Rapier Sergeant Supreme Spectra Starseer Stronghammer The Corrupters of All Classic Enemies Dragon Master Beamline Black Mamba Charger Durak Fox of Crime Giganto Griffon Halfjack Hideous Ladybug Le Sone Oculon Panda and Racoon Plasmoid Power Crusher Rainbow Archer Ray Shamrock Sparkler Thok Thunder and Lightning Based on your list, I can mention some things about some characters. I'll try not to overlap with Lord Lindon's list. Frizbee has seemed to be forgotten. Mostly it might be the name, as "Frizbee" is a copyright of Wham-O toys. "Blind Flying Disk Albino Girl" doesn't have quite the same ring. Mongoose doesn't have an analog character, but Hero has lots of Martial artist. Sledge is simply another brick out of many bticks. Fire and Ice was updated in Distopia, then became missing in action. A similar character named Equinox is slated to appear in the upcoming Terror Incorporated book by Tiger. The Conquers of All were given back to Dennis Mahoney. I don't know if he used them in Heroic Graphics products yet. Pointseta was given back to Dennis Mahoney, and was renamed Sparkplug, and made a heroine. Again, Red Rapier is a Dennis Mahoney character, and he used him as a villain in Heroic Graphics comics. Buffalo and Green Knight have been mentioned in the blogs about creating the new Strike Force book. I don't know if Aaron created or owns the characters, or simply used them for his campaign. I don't exactly know Spectra, but there is a similar named women Villian working with Doctor Destroyer. And there is a villain named Spector, an old cold war Russian Supervillain with energy powers. Beemline does not have an analog. He might appear again for the ARGENT book...or not. Black Mamba doesn't exist anymore, but can be recreated by taking a COIL member (perhaps Boomslang), remove the weapon, brick and snake him up more, then give him science skills. Rainbow Archer has been replaced by Arrowhead. Power Crusher doesn't exist, mostly because his transfer powers are hard to replicate. Thunder and Lightning were left out because of their back story, I believe. I don't think Steve thought their stories meshed with his vision of the Champions Universe. Ditto with Panda and Raccoon. That is all I know or believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Thanks for that helpful input, Stanley. Just to add a bit of clarification: Dennis Maloney might wish he was named "Mahoney," but he isn't legally. I'm not sure it would be accurate to say Arrowhead has replaced Rainbow Archer. Aside from being an archer with gimmicked arrows, his background is very different. The official CU has other archer villains of that stripe, Warpath and the Cahokian. Interesting tidbit about Thunder and Lightning, which I wasn't sure I should include. Booklet Of The Empress, the limited-release supplement to Book Of The Empress (for backers of the BOTE Kickstarter), writes up several additional members of Istvatha V'han's Imperial Battalion of superheroes. One entry describes a married couple from an alternate Earth, Jahan and Magarra Rintano, who while caught in a magical thunderstorm were infused with the "Spirits of Living Lightning and Living Thunder." Jahan gained the power to project bolts of lightning, and took the name Fulmoru ("Lightning"); while Magarra became super-strong and tough, and called herself Turanda ("Thunder," although her write-up also spells it "Tundara"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Is Destruction Company (from High-Tech Enemies, IIRC) still part of the CU? They were favorite foes of my players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuestionMan Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Seeker's evil twin Ignorance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnStrawberry Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Frizbee has seemed to be forgotten. Mostly it might be the name, as "Frizbee" is a copyright of Wham-O toys. "Blind Flying Disk Albino Girl" doesn't have quite the same ring. Interesting info above, but foul on this one! I believe the term frisbee has entered the public lexicon and is even in the OED: 'A concave plastic disk designed for skimming through the air as an outdoor game or amusement.' Changing that one letter would also remove the 'Complication: Hunted by IP Lawyers (Frequently).' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 I still use conquerers, although it's nuetron son running the group. Goal is to break daddy out of stronghold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjd59 Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Made some corrections to the list as per Lord Liaden and Steriaca's notes. Still leaves a lot of lost villians! Enemies 1 Frizbee Sledge Wyvern Enemies 2 Arc Dart Diamond Orb Ultraviolet Enemies 3 Aerion Brusier Dark Angel Darkon Demonfire Cryotron Gaussian Jabberrock Sergeant Supreme Spectra Stronghammer Classic Enemies Black Mamba Charger Griffon Ladybug Mongoose Panda and Racoon Plasmoid Power Crusher Rainbow Archer Ray Shamrock Sparkler Thok Thunder and Lightning Replaced, Changed, etc. Agents of Genocide - Now Institute for Human Advancement (IHA) Beamline - Possibly in new ARGENT book Big John - Now Merc-Force 1 Buffalo - possibly in new Strike Force Bullet - Now Merc-Force 1 Dragon Master - Replaced by Spirit Fist Earthmaster = Replaced by Terribor - Crowns of Krim Fire and Ice - updated in Dystopia Fox of Crime - semi-retired Giganto - Now a hero in the South America's premier hero team, the Victory Brigade Green Knight - possibly in new Strike Force Halfjack - in VIPER - Dragon Branch Hideous - replaced by Grotesk Juggernaut - renamed Dreadnaught in Classic Enemies Minute Man MK-V - Now Institute for Human Advancement (IHA) Oculon - in VIPER - Dragon Branch Poinsetta - Changed to Sparkplug in Heroic Graphics - Dennis Mahoney Red Rapier - in Heroic Graphics - Dennis Mahoney Starseer - Now Merc-Force 1 The Corrupters of All - Dennis Mahoney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Was not Arrowhead the original name of Shockwave in the Destroyers ? I think Frizbee and Sledge were both listed as casualties of one of the vigilante heroes i.e. a punisher type killed them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Rjd59 btw Mongoose is in Classic Enemies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Bluejay is still around... The Fox (of Crime) is now a powerless NPC guy for Grab. They haven't updated the Turtle armor. I think Steve did a PDF (Free even) of Turtle Armor for 6th... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjd59 Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Rjd59 btw Mongoose is in Classic Enemies. Thank you, made that change to the list! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted March 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Juggernaut was renamed Dreadnought for Classic Enemies. But that was 4ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted March 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Arc had 5ed stats in a downloadable extra for the 5th edition version of Stronghold. Same with Nuron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armitage Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Was not Arrowhead the original name of Shockwave in the Destroyers ? Deathstroke. The PR agent they hired made him change his name, saying that Shockwave better fit his explosive blast power, and it was dumb to call himself Arrowhead just because he had an arrow on his mask. Unfortunately, his original power was an Energy Blast with Armor Piercing, not Explosion - an arrow of force, in a sense. His mask came from his name, which came from his power, not vice versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelCold Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 You seriously want Mongoose aka Bullet Sponge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 How about Demonfire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted March 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 How about Demonfire? I know nothing about Demonfire, except for the name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelCold Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 He means this girl. I think they replaced her with Hell Rider in 6E. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 A fair number of the villains I created for Creatures of the Night: Horror Enemies (4e) never made the cut for later editions, but some of them were no loss. Others became redundant with particular villains Steve wanted in the CU for different reasons. (Like, the CU didn't need two lich megavillains, so Archimago became a fully-deceased part of continuity -- though his works continue to have an effect.) Some characters from Ultimate Supermage and Supermage Bestiary never made it into the CU, either. I may revise or reinvent them for my own work at some point, if I see a use for them and Jason gives permission. Dean Shomshak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armitage Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 He means this girl. I think they replaced her with Hell Rider in 6E. Hell Rider first appeared in 4e, in Creatures of the Night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 I played with the CalTech crew that wrote up Enemies 3a few had drifted away before I joined up with them in 85 and played with them till 2010 when the game moved from Pasadena to Long Beach and it became too long of a drive for me (Ren faire was also taking up a lot of my life,still is)Dennis Mallonee was one of the main GMsThat group put outEnemies 3The Great Supervillain Contest Coriolis EffectAndy Robinson didPrimus and DEMON (boy was he surprised when I showed him my copy of DEMON :servants of darkness) Challenges for ChampionsDave Berge Andy Robinson and Barry Wilson did Magic Items a lot of those characters belonged to others(a few where even heroes ,not villains(Red Rapier,Beamline)Ownership went back to the creators, and DOJ did not seek to regain them Made some corrections to the list as per Lord Liaden and Steriaca's notes. Still leaves a lot of lost villians! Enemies 1 Frizbee Sledge Wyvern Enemies 2 Arc Dart Diamond Orb Ultraviolet Enemies 3 Aerion Brusier Dark Angel Darkon Demonfire Cryotron Gaussian Jabberrock Sergeant Supreme Spectra Stronghammer Classic Enemies Black Mamba Charger Griffon Ladybug Mongoose Panda and Racoon Plasmoid Power Crusher Rainbow Archer Ray Shamrock Sparkler Thok Thunder and Lightning Replaced, Changed, etc. Agents of Genocide - Now Institute for Human Advancement (IHA) Beamline - Possibly in new ARGENT book Big John - Now Merc-Force 1 Buffalo - possibly in new Strike Force Bullet - Now Merc-Force 1 Dragon Master - Replaced by Spirit Fist Earthmaster = Replaced by Terribor - Crowns of Krim Fire and Ice - updated in Dystopia Fox of Crime - semi-retired Giganto - Now a hero in the South America's premier hero team, the Victory Brigade Green Knight - possibly in new Strike Force Halfjack - in VIPER - Dragon Branch Hideous - replaced by Grotesk Juggernaut - renamed Dreadnaught in Classic Enemies Minute Man MK-V - Now Institute for Human Advancement (IHA) Oculon - in VIPER - Dragon Branch Poinsetta - Changed to Sparkplug in Heroic Graphics - Dennis Mahoney Red Rapier - in Heroic Graphics - Dennis Mahoney Starseer - Now Merc-Force 1 The Corrupters of All - Dennis Mahoney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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