Old Man Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 Lawnmower Boy, Pattern Ghost, DShomshak and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 I did my civic duty and completed my primary ballot today. I may not be able to do anything about the presidency, since I live in one of the reddest of the red States. But I can certainly help figure out who my County Council and State School Board reps are going to be. Ranxerox and DShomshak 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 Given some of the shenanigans school boards have tried to pull in the past, that's not nothing. Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 A great deal of what affects most Americans' lives happens, or doesn't happen, at the county and municipal levels. As state and federal politics receive much more attention, a lot of shenanigans slip under most people's radar. Good on you trying to make a difference for your community. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 In my more optimistic moments I hope that all the sound and fury and gnashing of teeth from white nationalists and right extremists, the deceit and manipulation from the old male corporate overlords and their political lapdogs, are just the death throes of an order which recognizes its time is past, but refuses to accept it. Matt the Bruins and Grailknight 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lord Liaden Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 NASCAR knew they were going to lose some disgruntled fans. But they believe many more people will approve. And most of the objectors will come back once their offense has faded. I'll just note without comment that the first of those plaintiffs above is cancelling the subscription for himself, his wife, and her boyfriend. Lawnmower Boy, Cygnia and Doc Democracy 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 Well, I do have some slight conflicting of feelings because I do have several ancestors who died Confederate soldiers. Including a great great grandfather who left behind when he left to fight and die at 2nd Bull run 6 children and a pregnant wife. In family research most of my relatives were poor farmers at that time living season to season who never had nor likely would ever have a slave. And I wonder if they ever gave the issue much thought. It does sometimes seem callous and cruel how we have spat on their memories. The flag celebration is obviously misguided. But it seems their should be a way to properly acknowledge their lives both the good and bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 That is fair. But if you look at history, the Confederate flag languished in obscurity for almost a century after the war. It started to once again be prominently displayed and used as a symbol during the modern era as part of protests against desegregation of schools in the southern US in the early 1960s. And what it was a symbol of had nothing to do with culture or war memorials. wcw43921, TrickstaPriest, Pariah and 1 other 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcw43921 Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 And on that note-- Mississippi Lawmakers Push To Remove Confederate Battle Flag From State Flag Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: I'll just note without comment that the first of those plaintiffs above is cancelling the subscription for himself, his wife, and her boyfriend. So...one family total? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Democracy Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 5 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: I'll just note without comment that the first of those plaintiffs above is cancelling the subscription for himself, his wife, and her boyfriend. Such an alternative lifestyle and yet still against the SJWs who would fight for his right to live that way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trencher Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 Speaking of listening to academics who both argue sense and have the experience and education to back it up. https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/potential-fraud-why-mail-elections-should-be-dead-letter Yet when you go to wikipeida he is labeled "alarmist" a vague yet threatening term that will create an emotional response rather than a rational one. There are off course nothing to back that accusation up except for some referrals to news sites and on those news sites gives nothing substantial. Off course there are a threat of unprecedented voter fraud if it goes all by mail. It is impossible to secure in any meaningful way. You would have every voter escort their letter to where its counted and then you could just show up to vote anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 Washington state has been mail in for everything for a while now, and it's been working out OK. Lawnmower Boy and DShomshak 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 Tom Cowan, Lord Liaden, Cancer and 8 others 2 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcw43921 Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 You can feel the heat from that burn across state lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Pattern Ghost said: Washington state has been mail in for everything for a while now, and it's been working out OK. It used to be common for the Republican Party to send out applications for mail-in or absentee ballots for their party members, usually with the message of "make sure your vote counts." With statements from the Republicans and The Heritage Foundation (in the previous post), it appears that they are afraid that the Democrats also got the message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 21 hours ago, pinecone said: I've always thought that perhaps the way we choose our leaders should be a national draft.....anybody who wants to be in power is too suspect in my eyes.... I read that, some years back, this guy in England was proposing replacing the House of Lords with just that. (he'd leave the house of commons alone though, and Lords doesn't have nearly as much power) https://www.democraticaudit.com/2017/08/30/called-up-for-parliamentary-service-why-we-should-replace-the-lords-with-a-house-of-citizens/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 In theory it certainly can be interfered with or falsified. But that's harder if you track whether someone voted or not to begin with. Now, voting machines can definitely be interfered with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grailknight Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 6 hours ago, Trencher said: Speaking of listening to academics who both argue sense and have the experience and education to back it up. https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/potential-fraud-why-mail-elections-should-be-dead-letter Yet when you go to wikipeida he is labeled "alarmist" a vague yet threatening term that will create an emotional response rather than a rational one. There are off course nothing to back that accusation up except for some referrals to news sites and on those news sites gives nothing substantial. Off course there are a threat of unprecedented voter fraud if it goes all by mail. It is impossible to secure in any meaningful way. You would have every voter escort their letter to where its counted and then you could just show up to vote anyway I'll listen to these arguments when the the leader of the anti vote by mail, the POTUS himself, stops voting by mail. Ternaugh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 All Things Considered had a report on the fiasco of Georgia's vote-in-person primary this week. As one long-time observer of Georgia's elections noted, you really have to work to botch an election this badly: voting machines sent to wrong addresses, voting machines not working, untrained poll workers, grossly insufficient numbers of provisional ballots, etc. Election officials insist there were no problems in most of Georgia's precincts... It appears the problems were all in the black majority precincts. Funny, that. I'll take vote by mail, thank you. Though if a government is really determined not to let certain people vote, it'll find a way. Dean Shomshak pinecone and TrickstaPriest 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Grailknight said: I'll listen to these arguments when the the leader of the anti vote by mail, the POTUS himself, stops voting by mail. I mean, I don't accept that reasoning on its face (edit: I mean, on its face alone). I accept the reasoning that, if you track who voted and their address, and you send them a letter "congratulations on voting", you can find voting fraud pretty quick. And I totally accept THIS: 2 hours ago, DShomshak said: All Things Considered had a report on the fiasco of Georgia's vote-in-person primary this week. As one long-time observer of Georgia's elections noted, you really have to work to botch an election this badly: voting machines sent to wrong addresses, voting machines not working, untrained poll workers, grossly insufficient numbers of provisional ballots, etc. Election officials insist there were no problems in most of Georgia's precincts... It appears the problems were all in the black majority precincts. Funny, that. And this: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/09/defcon-2019-hacking-village/ I was at that con Tom Cowan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 15 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: I'll just note without comment that the first of those plaintiffs above is cancelling the subscription for himself, his wife, and her boyfriend. That was the point of the joke. The second one was even funnier, I thought. I mean, I hate to promote a stereotype, but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted June 12, 2020 Report Share Posted June 12, 2020 I brought it up in the police thread, but I wonder - how many examples can we get of a 'first world' country deploying military assets or legal behavior to harm its own citizens on a semi large scale? Historically. I mean directly. Hence, my current best picks list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE#1985_bombing (and the 65 nearby houses) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Executive_Order_44 Got any other takers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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