Tech priest support Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Christopher said: You know how US Republicans are against "big government" and for state rights? Well, I do not know why you would still think that, their actions are pretty clearly the opposite: https://nypost.com/2017/12/06/house-passes-gop-bill-allowing-concealed-carry-across-state-lines/ In short: If you have a Conceal Carry Licenses in any one state, this one is automatically applied in any state that also allows Concealed Carry - regardless how different the rules for it are there. https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/11/04/jeff-sessions-once-again-hints-that-a-marijuana-cr.aspx Republicans absolutely big gubmint, as long as it's forcing conservative values on people. "State's rights" is conservative dog whistle for allowing red states to ignore civil rights laws and pass laws targeting minorities and women. As soon as a state passes a law conservatives don't like they want to roll out the federal government steamroller. Iuz the Evil, Christopher, Ragitsu and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 Christopher, Ragitsu and megaplayboy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tech priest support Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 While trump continues too deny climate change and appoint climate change deniers to high offices, California has now moved into a 12 month fire season. https://insideclimatenews.org/news/11072017/wildfire-forest-fire-climate-change-california Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 There may well be some Trump supporters who see that as a feature, not a bug. Ragitsu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 5 hours ago, Old Man said: There may well be some Trump supporters who see that as a feature, not a bug. Killing the Economy is totally something that works for extremist groups. And fireseasons that last year-round totally work for that: Now STW always goes and links the study in question. Unforunatley it seems to be behind a Paywall:https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308662764_American_individualism_rises_and_falls_with_the_economy_Cross-temporal_evidence_that_individualism_declines_when_the_economy_falters Old Man and Ragitsu 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 That's fascinating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 19 hours ago, Old Man said: That's fascinating. Sounds utterly Maslowian to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 9 hours ago, MSgtB said: I've a proposition that I welcome comment on. (This post perhaps should be it's own topic, I leave that to the moderator's decision.) Given how stridently the "Left" and "Right" segments of the U.S. population are in disagreement on just about every topic, who thinks it might be a good idea to split the nation into two separate nations? Let the "Deep Blue" states form one government and the "Red States" another. We'd have the West coast and the North East (the coastal strip from Maryland to Maine) form the People's Democratic Republic of America and the remainder form the Republic of American States. The two could draft their own constitutions, based on the original, but with all the changes that would make it fit their ideology more comfortably. As examples: The Second Amendment, where the two sides have perhaps the most strident disagreement. The PDRA could dispense with it altogether, or write it in a much more constrained way. The RAS could also reword it to make clearer just how far, and no further, any state could limit access to firearms and types of firearms. Both nations could readdress if they wished Supreme Court decisions, such as Wickard v. Filburn, which dramatically increased the regulatory power of the federal government. This 1942 decision broadened the interpretation of the Commerce clause. According to Earl M. Maltz, Filburn and other New Deal decisions gave Congress "the authority to regulate private economic activity in a manner near limitless in its purview." Earl M. Maltz as quoted in footnote 223 of Chen (2003) Which nation, in 20 years, do you think would be in better shape economically? Socially? Which would you say would conform most closely to the Founder's vision? Where could you find the greatest personal liberty? Which most likely to become Authoritarian or even Totalitarian? I eagerly await your thoughts! I will point out that such conjecture and posturing is not what this thread is for....though the decidedly political nature of the "thought exercise" prohibits posting it elsewhere. In short: find some other site if you want to engage in a thought experiment that was attempted over 160 years ago (and resulted in more American deaths than any other conflict in our history). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lectryk Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 10 hours ago, Pattern Ghost said: Sounds utterly Maslowian to me. Was this comment directed to Christopher's post? I can see that, if so. If it's to MSgtB's post, can you explain your thinking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 hour ago, eyocum said: Was this comment directed to Christopher's post? I can see that, if so. If it's to MSgtB's post, can you explain your thinking? MSgtB's post was apparently caught in the new poster hold for some time, and wasn't available (at least for me) when Pattern Ghost posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 3 hours ago, Ternaugh said: MSgtB's post was apparently caught in the new poster hold for some time, and wasn't available (at least for me) when Pattern Ghost posted. Likewise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 5 hours ago, Ternaugh said: MSgtB's post was apparently caught in the new poster hold for some time, and wasn't available (at least for me) when Pattern Ghost posted. 1 hour ago, Ragitsu said: Likewise. Yeah, unfortunate timing, there. I sorta kinda fixed it. It was supposed to be a response to Old Man's response to Christopher's post. Kind of screwed up the flow of the joke on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Ragitsu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 "LIVE RESULTS: As of 9:41 p.m., Roy Moore leads Doug Jones 53.0 percent to 45.6 percent with 64.0 percent of precincts reporting."- Politico I wish I could say I am surprised. I hope for a turn around but I think Moore is going to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 Five Thirty Eight Liveblog NYT Liveblog So much hangs on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 Automatic recount if margin is < 0.5%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 AP has called it for Jones. Current count is a draw but remaining precincts are heavily blue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 I hope so. I would LOVE to be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 Fox News has called it for Jones, as well. Hermit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 As of this post, Moore is refusing to concede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 And it's official, Jones has beaten Moore. Even though this wasn't remotely my horse race, and I'm not taking a side concerning political parties, given the issues in this contest I can't help feeling a bit of vindication for my faith in the inherent decency of the American people. Ragitsu, Netzilla, Hermit and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: And it's official, Jones has beaten Moore. Even though this wasn't remotely my horse race, and I'm not taking a side concerning political parties, given the issues in this contest I can't help feeling a bit of vindication for my faith in the inherent decency of the American people. "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else."- Winston Churchill Pariah, Pattern Ghost, Christopher and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grailknight Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 As an Alabama voter, I am happy to see Jones win. The vote broke mostly on urban/rural lines with the larger urban counties carrying Jones. A large minority turnout was also a factor but the biggest thing was the allegations against Moore. http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/page/2017_alabama_us_senate_election_results.html#incart_election Hermit and Ragitsu 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 Still disappointed by the low voter turnout, though. Given the controversy I expected it to be higher. Political fatigue, perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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