unclevlad Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 On 11/25/2018 at 3:26 AM, csyphrett said: There has been some talk that this is a grandstand move with no real way to get voted on. It's hard to say how much traction this thing will actually get before it's struck if it ever even gets voted on. It does show that some people will always want to tell others what to do even when it's none of their business. CES It can be argued that Trump's presidential bid was nothing but grandstanding...at first. Mind, I seriously doubt even the current Court would consider a requirement that a woman have a child is *remotely* Constitutional, but any move in this direction is something that needs to be quashed ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 Many terrible things have arisen out of people complacently assuming, "That could never happen here." Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 Well, we're seeing, as best I can recall, the first serious pushback against Trump, by the Republicans. This is about the Khashoggi killing. After a briefing to the Senate that didn't include any CIA representation, and only had Trumpian spin involved, the Senate moved to continue debate on a bill to stop military aid to the Saudis, by a 63-37 vote. That means QUITE a few Republicans crossed over, including some very big names. I'm hoping that this starts the ball rolling, to at least curb Trump's worst tendencies. Iuz the Evil, TrickstaPriest, pinecone and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 15 hours ago, unclevlad said: Well, we're seeing, as best I can recall, the first serious pushback against Trump, by the Republicans. This is about the Khashoggi killing. After a briefing to the Senate that didn't include any CIA representation, and only had Trumpian spin involved, the Senate moved to continue debate on a bill to stop military aid to the Saudis, by a 63-37 vote. That means QUITE a few Republicans crossed over, including some very big names. I'm hoping that this starts the ball rolling, to at least curb Trump's worst tendencies. Yeah, I won't count on it, but it was good to see not ALL standards are dead. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 There seems to be some hope that Senator-elect Romney (R-UT) can pick up where the late Senator McCain left off in being The Guy for the GOP who's willing to call out the President on his crap when necessary. I hope that ends up being the case. Either way, I'll confess that I'm not sad to see Senator Hatch gone. He should've left six years ago, maybe twelve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Device Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 Oh, hey, look! It turns out there probably was some significant vote fraud this election. You'll never guess on the part of which party. It really sucks that once the dust settles, this will be used to "prove" that that there is a need for strict voter id laws, when no degree of strict voter id would have stopped this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, Dr.Device said: Oh, hey, look! It turns out there probably was some significant vote fraud this election. You'll never guess on the part of which party. It really sucks that once the dust settles, this will be used to "prove" that that there is a need for strict voter id laws, when no degree of strict voter id would have stopped this. I wish I could disagree with your second line there (Because the first surprises me not at all). I am actually okay with voter ID cards to a large part, but I believe if you make the mandatory., then you need to offer them up for FREE to every citizen legally able to vote and it shouldn't come from their own pockets. Somehow i doubt the GOP will go for that little budget cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 Could it be Flake has... a sense of honor, or at least decency? I mean, not a lot, but more than I expected. He's retiring so may feel invulnerable anyway https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/29/jeff-flake-senate-republicans-mueller-1034429 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 He was retiring during the Kavanaugh confirmation too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Walsh Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 He was shy and fond of being on his own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 The point is, Flake's "principled stands" are an act and he always votes with his caucus anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 News about politics, but not political... Not a surprise, as his health has been fragile all year, George HW Bush died this evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, unclevlad said: News about politics, but not political... Not a surprise, as his health has been fragile all year, George HW Bush died this evening. RIP https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/30/george-hw-bush-obituary-121205 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 RIP. HIs branch of the party--the blueblood country club Republicans, Rockefeller Republicans, moderates, Northeastern Republicans--has pretty much withered on the vine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 IMHO he was a better President than a lot of people give him credit for. Pariah, Joe Walsh and Ternaugh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 He certainly looks good compared to some of his successors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 Is Trump invited to the funeral? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 I would like to see leaving Private Bone Spurs out of state funerals for war heroes become a trend. Pattern Ghost and Hermit 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 7 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: IMHO he was a better President than a lot of people give him credit for. I would agree. His four years were a time of intense transition that would have tested any president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 He had the unenviable task of being the President to follow Ronald Reagan. How do you live up to a guy who was larger than life in that office? GHWB was one of the last holdovers from a time when the other party was just The Other Party and not The Enemy. I fear we won't see that again in my lifetime. Rest in Peace, Mr. President. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 He was the last Republican President. what ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 No, Dick Cheney was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 On paper, GHWB was one of the most qualified candidates for President to ever run for the office. Decorated combat officer. Successful oil tycoon. Congressman. Director of the CIA. Ambassador to the United Nations. Vice-President. It's hard to imagine a more impressive or relevant resume. Comparing that to the current office holder's is laughable. Pariah and Doc Shadow 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 GHWB knew how to make a campaign promise to get elected, and then how to break it in order to govern responsibly. "Read my lips: No new taxes!" But when it became fiscally desirable... he signed a bill into law that raised taxes. I am sure he paid for it politically, but I prefer it to the sort of Republican who thinks deficits are just dandy once they are the ones running them up. He also did good as an ex-president. High point may have been his fundraising with Bill Clinton after the Dec. 26, 2005 earthquake and tsunami. As one pundit put it, in much of the world leaders cling to power no matter what. But here the world saw a leader who had the power to, no kidding, destroy the world if he didn't get his way, who gave up that power without a word of protest. And standing next to the man who beat him to take that world-ending power. Who then left office as gracefully, after seeing his anointed successor lose an election to the son of the man he defeated. Both of them saying, "Help these people, because it's the right thing to do." That, the pundit concluded, is moral authority with teeth. Dean Shomshak Doc Shadow, Pattern Ghost, Lord Liaden and 5 others 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Walsh Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 I liked GHWB and voted for him twice. As far as I can recall, he was the last Republican I voted for. Other than Clarence Thomas, I think his record is pretty darned good. Too bad Thomas will far outlive GHWB, and his decisions will far outlast just about anything else GHWB did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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