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On paper, GHWB was one of the most qualified candidates for President to ever run for the office. Decorated combat officer. Successful oil tycoon. Congressman. Director of the CIA. Ambassador to the United Nations. Vice-President. It's hard to imagine a more impressive or relevant resume. Comparing that to the current office holder's is laughable.

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GHWB knew how to make a campaign promise to get elected, and then how to break it in order to govern responsibly. "Read my lips: No new taxes!" But when it became fiscally desirable... he signed a bill into law that raised taxes. I am sure he paid for it politically, but I prefer it to the sort of Republican who thinks deficits are just dandy once they are the ones running them up.

 

He also did good as an ex-president. High point may have been his fundraising with Bill Clinton after the Dec. 26, 2005 earthquake and tsunami. As one pundit put it, in much of the world leaders cling to power no matter what. But here the world saw a leader who had the power to, no kidding, destroy the world if he didn't get his way, who gave up that power without a word of protest. And standing next to the man who beat him to take that world-ending power. Who then left office as gracefully, after seeing his anointed successor lose an election to the son of the man he defeated. Both of them saying, "Help these people, because it's the right thing to do." That, the pundit concluded, is moral authority with teeth.

 

Dean Shomshak

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I liked GHWB and voted for him twice. As far as I can recall, he was the last Republican I voted for. Other than Clarence Thomas, I think his record is pretty darned good. Too bad Thomas will far outlive GHWB, and his decisions will far outlast just about anything else GHWB did.

 

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GHWB was eyebrow deep in Iran-Contra and avoided being implicated in it by pardoning everyone involved.  He also increased the national debt in four years almost as much as Reagan increased it in eight.  But yes, he was one of the better GOP presidents.

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In the aftermath of the Gulf War, GHWB lifted the no-fly zone in Iraq just long enough for Saddam to send in helicopter to slaughter the civilian uprising in Baghdad which was threatening to topple him from power. As soon as the helicopters did their job, GHWB reinstated the no-fly zone.

 

So I'd rank GHWB somewhere below Nixon in my list of "best GOP presidents".

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There is language in Michael Cohen’s plea deal that gives Mueller the right to describe Cohen’s (and his conspirators’) criminal activities at length and in detail during Cohen’s sentencing on December 12. If there was ever a day when C-SPAN was a must-watch, that might be it. 

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4 hours ago, Old Man said:

There is language in Michael Cohen’s plea deal that gives Mueller the right to describe Cohen’s (and his conspirators’) criminal activities at length and in detail during Cohen’s sentencing on December 12. If there was ever a day when C-SPAN was a must-watch, that might be it. 

The cool thing about criminal sentencing court documents, is that they are public record.

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I have read the theory advanced by some that, more so than any final report, Mueller will make the case against Trump via "speaking indictments" against other parties.  That is, detailed public criminal indictments against other parties, which typically refer to Trump as "Individual-1", will tend to incriminate Trump and implicate him in the charged conspiracy.  If there's an underlying crime or crimes to be covered up, then the obstruction of justice case against the President is likely to be overwhelming.

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So.... on an amusing aside, I've been binge-watching episodes of Lois and Clark: The Adventures of SupermanI just watched the episode "Meet John Doe" where Tempus (evil supervillain from the future) uses subliminal control to get elected President.  During his acceptance speech, he says, "My greatest hope is that the former supporters of President Garner will join with me in making this country great again."

 

Makes me wonder where Trump gets his ideas.

 

 

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On 11/22/2018 at 8:06 AM, Lord Liaden said:

 

I've heard several journalists muse that they might have gone overboard in trying to be "balanced" in their coverage of both candidates during the last presidential election. With all the things Trump had said and done constantly making the news, they felt pressure to keep returning to the Clinton email issue so they wouldn't be accused of biased reporting. But in doing so they might have created a false equivalency between that and Trump's antics in the minds of the electorate.

I'll bet that they weren't Fox News journalists you heard from !

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I think scandal can destroy a candidacy;  re-election is easier than winning the first time.  The voters are less invested in you before you win.  It's also somewhat easier to lose in a primary as an incumbent, rather than lose in the general.

 

And avoid video!!!  If it's just talk, you'll survive a lot more often.  The greatest casualty of the Trump presidency has been Truth, but Truth with Pictures???  That's tougher to slough off.

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2 hours ago, Hermit said:

People are depressingly good at rationalizing the abandonment of their claimed beliefs.

 

I've heard a number of people who voted for Donald Trump claim that policy trumps (pardon me) a candidate's character. They don't seem to consider that character informs how, and even whether, a leader will follow through on a stated policy.

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