unclevlad Posted July 20 Report Share Posted July 20 But we also, over time, have a general consensus about many things...and particularly about Trump, and explosive issues like the stolen election claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted July 20 Report Share Posted July 20 It's so nice how Donald can unite people.... Ternaugh and Hermit 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 20 Report Share Posted July 20 If you plan to vote in Ohio in November, you NEED to be aware of this: Cygnia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted July 20 Report Share Posted July 20 I'm paranoid every time I go vote in any election here in OH that I'll be "conveniently" removed from the rolls... 😕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 20 Report Share Posted July 20 From what I've read the Ohio government has tried multiple times over the past few years, to get hundreds of thousands of voters off the registration lists. Their efforts have been challenged in court, not always successfully. In a state with eight million registered voters, that could be enough to swing many close races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted July 20 Report Share Posted July 20 Yes, they've tried it before. The wife and check on our stats every so often. Here's the link to check status in Ohio: https://voterlookup.ohiosos.gov/voterlookup.aspx Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmower Boy Posted July 20 Report Share Posted July 20 4 hours ago, Hermit said: To be fair and I've said this before, compared to a LOT Of sites that aren't made for politics but have the discussions anyway, you guys are GOLD. So thank you for being reasonable and kind to each other 95% of the time! Woo-hoo I'm in the fifth percentile! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted July 20 Report Share Posted July 20 2 hours ago, Lawnmower Boy said: Woo-hoo I'm in the fifth percentile! Let's just hope we don't have to join a fifth column........ Lawnmower Boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-election-07-21-24/index.html Well, Biden is out and it looks like it’ll be Harris. Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 Damn. I really think this going to backfire big as every State Run by the GOP does every legal trick they can do to keep Harris or whoever runs for the Democrats off the ballot Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 I have no prediction at this time. Just gonna sit back and watch for now, and in any case, vote the Democratic ticket in November. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 2 minutes ago, Hermit said: Damn. I really think this going to backfire big as every State Run by the GOP does every legal trick they can do to keep Harris or whoever runs for the Democrats off the ballot Well, Harris was already on the ticket so it might be harder to keep her off. I don’t really know, but that’d be the argument if I was in her shoes. She’d be on the ballot anyway as part of the ticket. Who knows really? Unprecedented times seem to be here to stay, been saying things are unprecedented for at least a decade. Maybe longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 11 minutes ago, Iuz the Evil said: Well, Harris was already on the ticket so it might be harder to keep her off. I don’t really know, but that’d be the argument if I was in her shoes. She’d be on the ballot anyway as part of the ticket. Who knows really? Unprecedented times seem to be here to stay, been saying things are unprecedented for at least a decade. Maybe longer. He's endorsed Harris, yes. Not sure she's got the deal sealed from the start. And I can still see legal challenges galore on ballot placement (if only to try to delay and drain) But as you point out, Who knows really? Iuz the Evil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 24 minutes ago, Hermit said: He's endorsed Harris, yes. Not sure she's got the deal sealed from the start. And I can still see legal challenges galore on ballot placement (if only to try to delay and drain) But as you point out, Who knows really? Oh for sure it’s not a done deal until the DNC Convention, and maybe not even then. Looks like you were correct (already) about RNC opposition to the change. “Every state has its own system, and in some of these, it’s not possible to simply just switch out a candidate.“ per Mike Johnson. Already lining up their arguments. Sigh. I’m thinking Biden-Harris was already submitted to the ballot process in those States though, but haven’t looked close enough to see. So can the Vice Presidential candidate on the ballot get moved to the Presidential candidate if they try to block her nomination as the reason? I have no idea. Maybe it’s a matter of State ballot laws? Here we go… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 (edited) One bad debate performance. Which, from reporting I've seen, was greatly contributed to by Joe Biden's own error in judgement. He's going to have to live with that for the rest of his days. We're in wholly uncharted waters now. Whatever the outcome, I'm confident historians will be analyzing the decade 2015-2024 for centuries to come. "In a phone call with CNN minutes after Biden announced his exit from the race, Trump described Biden as “the worst president by far in the history of our country.” I swear to God, if I had Trump in front of me I don't know if I could restrain myself from strangling him with my bare hands. Edited July 21 by Lord Liaden Cygnia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 Someone please stop the timeline, I want to get off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 (edited) Lyndon Johnson also did not seek a second term. I have seen opinions on the internet saying "If you can't or won't run, just resign now". I disagree with this. In my opinion: Let the man serve out his term. He earned it. Edited July 21 by MrWolf Iuz the Evil and Lord Liaden 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 BIG difference, tho...Johnson announced at the end of March, not July. At this point, I think it's the only possible path forward. Too many calls from too many places to stand down. I'm not saying it's a *good* path, but there's no other option I can see. I also don't think it was just the debate; the speeches I saw, there were several instances which made me concerned about age-related issues. Yeah, we know multiple Rep-run states are gonna try to fight this, but come on. He was never nominated. There's still 3 full months before the election. I actually *hope* there isn't too much fighting at the convention, and Harris can be nominated decently quickly. The Dems *have* to try to re-gather or they're toast, unless Trump continues his totally unhinged speeches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 It's the only modern analogy no matter how distant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 5 minutes ago, Old Man said: Someone please stop the timeline, I want to get off. *Sees that you might escape leaving the rest of us behind, yanks you back like a fellow crab in a boiling pot because that's the way we do things in the 21st century!* semi seriously? If you find a tardis? Jump in it and God and the Doctor be with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 I can't shake the thought that if the DNC had supported Bernie Sanders in 2015, we would be looking at a very different world today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 Just now, MrWolf said: It's the only modern analogy no matter how distant. Sure, but it's actually the lesser event that affected the '68 race. Johnson's resignation came after, I believe, only *1* primary...New Hampshire. (Some state conventions before he resigned, but they were all undecided.) The bigger factor was the assassination of RFK, after winning California. That was mid-June. Nomination very much up in the air, but Kennedy was gaining considerable momentum. And it shocked the party, and the country...I remember the funeral train's week-long trip back to DC. And that was still nowhere near as late in the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 I got so much anger in my blood right now... Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 We are so screwed. We are so ******* screwed. Pariah and Old Man 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 13 minutes ago, Cygnia said: I got so much anger in my blood right now... 11 minutes ago, BoloOfEarth said: We are so screwed. We are so ******* screwed. Steady. I'm not going to lie to you, this is a bad situation. We're in for a lot of excitement via the courts over the next three months. We'll need to rally behind the new nominee (if there is one), and we're going to have to be ready to resist if/when there are shenanigans by the other side. Protests, disruptions, and general strikes are very likely to be in our future. It sucks to have to live in interesting times, but here we are. There were many ways to resist Hitler, and there will be many ways to resist Trump. Figure out your own risk tolerance and do what you can. Cygnia, Lord Liaden, Hermit and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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