Stanley Teriaca Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 32 minutes ago, BoloOfEarth said: We are so screwed. We are so ******* screwed. I apologize for misinterpting your post Bolo. I hope Simon sent you my follow up post (which was up for approval by the management, which includes Simon). Biden is out? Ok. I can't say I didn't see that one coming. As for that dooming the future. We have to wait and see how America votes. And that is all I dare to say, unless I want another involuntary vacation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 (edited) I need to step away from this thread for a few hours. I can't handle any more insanity today. EDIT: One last fun fact that was just pointed out to me. Donald Trump is now the oldest nominee for President in American history. Edited July 21 by Lord Liaden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmower Boy Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 "You already did." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 slikmar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 Good ad. Terrible guy in front of the camera there, whoever he is. I hope he's right, mind, but geeze, dude, everyone knows everything negative about Trump already, and it is NOT clear how much it'll help. One point Harris can hammer, if she is the nominee, is abortion. Hammer that it's Trump's hand-picked judges that overturned, that it's all Republicans pushing for the total bans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted July 21 Report Share Posted July 21 The fact that Harris was a prosecuting attorney DOES give me hope that she might be the right person for the job of justice reform if she wins the presidency as she KNOWS that system. So there's a positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DShomshak Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 One good-ish thing... Biden just pushed Trump off the (literal or metaphorical) front page. That matters. Trump thrives on visibility, no matter what he's visible for. As I said before, I wish Biden had ruled out a second term before the primary season began, just to keep the media focused on who would replace him. A more exciting story than Trump's revenge epic rematch, better for attracting eyeballs and chatter. Chaos before and during the Dems'; convention can still doom the campaign and the party, so I hope the party unites behind Harris quickly. But they can still get some useful drama over who becomes VP nominee. And there's the race card. Republicans *must* attack Harris. Those attacks cannot avoid a racist aspect. That may remind Black voters who were considering Trump because gas and eggs cost less in his term to remember why they never voted Republican before. Dean Shomshak Hermit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 I agree it'll be litigation thunderdome, but cripes, a central point to me is...the Democrats have NOT, to this point, named a nominee. Biden was the *presumptive* nominee only. All the clauses in all the laws referring to the nominee should not apply. Granted, this minor, niggling discrepancy won't stop the machine that filed HOW many election challenge suits, with a perfect track record of utter rejection...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 (edited) Donald Trump's opponent for President now being a woman of color is bound to stick in his craw, and will probably prompt him to say something detrimental to his cause. And I for one will be looking forward to the September debate. Edited July 22 by Lord Liaden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcw43921 Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 5 hours ago, MrWolf said: Lyndon Johnson also did not seek a second term. I have seen opinions on the internet saying "If you can't or won't run, just resign now". I disagree with this. In my opinion: Let the man serve out his term. He earned it. Yes, Biden earned the opportunity to serve out his term. He also earned the opportunity to serve a second term. The thing is, if he is not fit to serve as a candidate, he's not fit to handle the affairs of state. If you're having him step down as a candidate over age-related issues, then he should step down as President for the same reason. Harris then assumes the Presidency, and runs from a position of incumbency--which is a better position to be in than a last-ditch substitute. What bothers me the most about this is that I can't help but feel that the Democrats caved. The right-wingers said Biden wasn't fit for his office, and this is a tacit admission by the Democrats that they were right. If this had happened during the Republican Convention they would have been popping champagne corks and counting all the ways that they can strip everyone but straight white males of their inalienable rights. I can't imagine anyone among the Democrats breathing a sigh of relief over this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 IMO Biden would have ridden this out if he had aced the debate. If it's true what's being said, that he chose to exhaust himself with overwork before the debate, which greatly contributed to his poor performance, then to my mind his judgement as well as his physical condition is questionable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 32 minutes ago, wcw43921 said: The thing is, if he is not fit to serve as a candidate, he's not fit to handle the affairs of state. If you're having him step down as a candidate over age-related issues, then he should step down as President for the same reason. Harris then assumes the Presidency, and runs from a position of incumbency--which is a better position to be in than a last-ditch substitute. With that I would have to disagree. Joe Biden can still function as President for the remainder of his term IMHO. The issue has always been whether he could continue to do so for four more years, and we now have credible reason to question that. But to expect Biden to step down as POTUS before his term is over, as if he had been objectively proven incompetent -- which he has not -- would be a grave insult to a man with over half a century of public service, who has performed admirably in his office. slikmar, Pattern Ghost, unclevlad and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armitage Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 (edited) Trump posted on Truth Social: "So, we are forced to spend time and money on fighting Crooked Joe Biden, he polls badly after having a terrible debate, and quits the race. Now we have to start all over again. Shouldn't the Republican Party be reimbursed for fraud in that everybody around Joe, including his doctors and the Fake News Media, knew he was not capable of running for, or being, President? Just askin'?" Yes, he wants the Republican Party to be reimbursed for all campaign expenses to date. I'm sure the money wouldn't go straight into his pocket. He seems to have mellowed since getting shot. Just a month ago this would have been all caps and full of rage-induced misspellings. 😀 Edited July 22 by Armitage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Old Man Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 Ranxerox, Pariah, Grailknight and 1 other 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 2 hours ago, Armitage said: Trump posted on Truth Social: "So, we are forced to spend time and money on fighting Crooked Joe Biden, he polls badly after having a terrible debate, and quits the race. Now we have to start all over again. Shouldn't the Republican Party be reimbursed for fraud in that everybody around Joe, including his doctors and the Fake News Media, knew he was not capable of running for, or being, President? Just askin'?" Why don't we just balance that with all the fraud everyone around Donnie has been perpetrating, and call it even? (Okay, maybe I won't strangle him. Just apply a medical stapler to his foul mouth, and suture his typing fingers together.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 Honestly, if Fact Checkers got paid a nickle every time they had to correct Donnie, they'd be building up a pretty nice college fund for their kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 Its weird to me that Republicans are calling for Biden to step down now. Harris has nowhere to go but up - Why would you want to give her the 4 months till election to not just have to act more Presidential but actually BE the President? Personally, I think Biden stepping down now would be a huge gift to Harris and the democrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 1 hour ago, Hermit said: Honestly, if Fact Checkers got paid a nickle every time they had to correct Donnie, they'd be building up a pretty nice college fund for their kids Are you kidding? They could fund the entire NIL of the SEC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grailknight Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 40 minutes ago, Starlord said: Its weird to me that Republicans are calling for Biden to step down now. Harris has nowhere to go but up - Why would you want to give her the 4 months till election to not just have to act more Presidential but actually BE the President? Personally, I think Biden stepping down now would be a huge gift to Harris and the democrats. Only thing I can think of is that they want to split her time away from the campaign. If Biden stays in office, she can spend all her time on beating Trump while being free of the duties of the President. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 40 minutes ago, Grailknight said: Only thing I can think of is that they want to split her time away from the campaign. If Biden stays in office, she can spend all her time on beating Trump while being free of the duties of the President. It is also possible Biden is about to unleash some questionable pardons or test his new OFFICIAL Immunity in some way that Harris needs to say 'Well, what could I do?" about or at least have some deniability about being involved. But that's just speculation, it would be one reason for him to ride the year out though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 13 hours ago, Armitage said: Trump posted on Truth Social: "So, we are forced to spend time and money on fighting Crooked Joe Biden, he polls badly after having a terrible debate, and quits the race. Now we have to start all over again. Shouldn't the Republican Party be reimbursed for fraud in that everybody around Joe, including his doctors and the Fake News Media, knew he was not capable of running for, or being, President? Just askin'?" Yes, he wants the Republican Party to be reimbursed for all campaign expenses to date. I'm sure the money wouldn't go straight into his pocket. He seems to have mellowed since getting shot. Just a month ago this would have been all caps and full of rage-induced misspellings. 😀 Orange "Karen" gets upset, wants to talk to the manager. BoloOfEarth, Old Man, Rails and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 Here's a post from Robert Reich: https://open.substack.com/pub/robertreich/p/what-dems-must-do-now?r=2xixwz&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted July 22 Report Share Posted July 22 46 minutes ago, tkdguy said: Here's a post from Robert Reich: https://open.substack.com/pub/robertreich/p/what-dems-must-do-now?r=2xixwz&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email This is why I dislike Reich. Bold mine. Quote Trump swiftly reacted to President Joe Biden’s withdrawal from the 2024 presidential campaign with typically nasty vitriol. Biden was “not fit to run,” “he wasn’t capable of being President,” “the Worst President, by far, in the History of our Nation,” who “just quit the race in COMPLETE DISGRACE!” We all know that Trump projects himself onto his opponents. Uhhh...really? Trump isn't that self-aware, IMO. Trump spews vitriol because he can't tolerate competition, or even attention. I do agree with his point that Manchin trying to 'return' to the Democrats, and mount a challenge to Harris, would be awful. Manchin's played both sides against each other for too long. And from several standpoints? His suggestion of Mark Kelly as Harris' running mate certainly looks well-considered. My only mild concern is whether this would cost a Senate seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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