wcw43921 Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 Meanwhile--in Georgia--this is happening. death tribble 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 On 4/29/2018 at 9:50 AM, Lord Liaden said: Why Canadian police are so good at not shooting people On 4/29/2018 at 2:39 PM, Sociotard said: Article talks about the emphasis on training, including for deescalation and not-confusing-a-phone-for-a-gun. Valid. And yet, the rate for Canadian officers to die is 5.6 per 100,000 active officers per year, 1961 to 2009 https://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2010003/article/11354/tbl/tbl01-eng.htm For the US, it is 7.1 per 100,000 per year, 1992 to 2012 Number killed 2007 to 2016 (only took 1992 to 2012) https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2016/officers-feloniously-killed/tables/table-1.xls https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2008 https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/1998 Full Time 1992 to 2012 https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/nsleed.pdf The US kills its officers at a higher rate than Canada. We can't really answer why Canadian Police are more restrained than US Police, until we know why the Canadian population is more restrained. I had to revisit this discussion, because I realized this is a false equivalency. The difference in police officers being killed is 7.1 per 100,000 people in the United States, vs 5.6 in Canada. The per-capita rate of people being shot and killed by police in the United States is seven times higher than in Canada. That's not remotely proportional. Twilight and RDU Neil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 Who said anything about proportional? Humans are not rational proportional creatures. I would only expect more police shootings to result in a) police afraid of being shot b) police training and procedures to be more focused on the potential of being shot It would not surprise me if the relationship between police-killed and killed-by-police had a multiplier or an exponent on it. I do wish I could find a by-year count of Canadian police killed for a better comparison. I'd like to see how it compares to individual US states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 Ragitsu and RDU Neil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted May 19, 2018 Report Share Posted May 19, 2018 On 5/17/2018 at 11:51 AM, Sociotard said: Who said anything about proportional? Humans are not rational proportional creatures. I would only expect more police shootings to result in a) police afraid of being shot b) police training and procedures to be more focused on the potential of being shot It would not surprise me if the relationship between police-killed and killed-by-police had a multiplier or an exponent on it. I do wish I could find a by-year count of Canadian police killed for a better comparison. I'd like to see how it compares to individual US states. I would be very surprised if anyone could provide a "multiplier" that justifies a 29% higher rate of police being shot between the two countries, equating to a 600% higher rate of people being shot by police. The only multiplier that could do that is fear, which is not a good quality to base protecting the public on. Funk Thompson and Iuz the Evil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 Fascinating. I'm not even sure I agree with the ruling. I thought the First just covered the right to speak, not the right to be heard. Trump Can't Blocker Twitter Users Based On Their Political Views Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 It is an interesting case. It may be that circumstances are different for Trump's twitter account because he uses it as one of, if not the, main channel by which he communicates with the American people. He's not a private individual using it for personal purposes. Allowing some Americans to respond to it while forbidding others is censorship at best, propaganda at worst. Ragitsu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 30 minutes ago, Sociotard said: Fascinating. I'm not even sure I agree with the ruling. I thought the First just covered the right to speak, not the right to be heard. Trump Can't Blocker Twitter Users Based On Their Political Views The President is a public governmental* figure tasked with representing/serving every citizen regardless of their political views. Having people he doesn't agree with blocked seems like a major no-no. (*Was that double-dipping: "public governmental"? Are all government employees "public" by the very nature of their occupation?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 According to the article, the judge ruled Trump's Twitter account a public forum. Makes sense considering his office and how he uses the account in connection with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-calls-off-meeting-north-koreas-kim-135250907.html I am . . . distraught. I know that incumbents usually win, but I had hope that maybe Trump could just ride out the next 2.5 years and then go away. But I'm starting to think he won't make it that long before he starts a conflict in North Korea or Iran. Can you imagine the North Korean war NOT dragging in China and Japan? (Taiwan too, if Trump is super incompetent). And an Iranian one could shift the proxy wars presently in Syria to involve Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and maybe even Russia. Heck, Europe could get dragged into that one. It's always been a sore spot for me that I can't vote for a genuine peace candidate. The US electorate is just too interventionist, too fond of swinging its oversized military on the global stage. I voted against McCain because of his "bomb bomb iran" joke, but Obama couldn't help himself from attacking Libya with no endgame strategy, or mucking about in Syria with even less long-term strategy or cohesive philosophy. Hillary was a notorious Hawk, and I voted for her anyway, but I know she would've started something. But Trump is just so bad at the philosophy aspect . . . I am distraught. Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 I'm just crossing my fingers that someone talked Trump into letting actual diplomats handle North Korea. The summit was just Kim baiting Trump into looking bad and trying to gain leverage, IMO. No good would have come from it. So long as Trump can avoid provoking NK, the cancellation could be the best outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funk Thompson Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 11 minutes ago, Pattern Ghost said: I'm just crossing my fingers that someone talked Trump into letting actual diplomats handle North Korea. The summit was just Kim baiting Trump into looking bad and trying to gain leverage, IMO. No good would have come from it. So long as Trump can avoid provoking NK, the cancellation could be the best outcome. ohwaityoureseriousletmelaughevenharder.jpg? :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, Funk Thompson said: ohwaityoureseriousletmelaughevenharder.jpg? What's the funny part? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funk Thompson Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 Just now, Pattern Ghost said: What's the funny part? Quote that someone talked Trump into letting actual diplomats handle North Korea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 I see, you missed the "I'm just crossing my fingers" part. That explains it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 I think I see the pattern in Trump's decisions: whatever he thinks will be popular at the time with his supporters or the elites whose approval he craves. When he discovers he won't get that, he takes his toys and goes home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Lord Liaden said: I think I see the pattern in Trump's decisions Hold on! Don't blame me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 The FBI released (PDF link) Active Shooter Incidents in the United States in 2016 and 2017 report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 16 hours ago, Sociotard said: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-calls-off-meeting-north-koreas-kim-135250907.html I am . . . distraught. I know that incumbents usually win, but I had hope that maybe Trump could just ride out the next 2.5 years and then go away. But I'm starting to think he won't make it that long before he starts a conflict in North Korea or Iran. Can you imagine the North Korean war NOT dragging in China and Japan? (Taiwan too, if Trump is super incompetent). And an Iranian one could shift the proxy wars presently in Syria to involve Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and maybe even Russia. Heck, Europe could get dragged into that one. It's always been a sore spot for me that I can't vote for a genuine peace candidate. The US electorate is just too interventionist, too fond of swinging its oversized military on the global stage. I voted against McCain because of his "bomb bomb iran" joke, but Obama couldn't help himself from attacking Libya with no endgame strategy, or mucking about in Syria with even less long-term strategy or cohesive philosophy. Hillary was a notorious Hawk, and I voted for her anyway, but I know she would've started something. But Trump is just so bad at the philosophy aspect . . . I am distraught. It'll be all right. It has to rain sometime. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted May 28, 2018 Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 https://splinternews.com/trump-and-congress-just-made-it-easier-for-auto-lenders-1826211741 Garbage from a garbage President. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted May 29, 2018 Report Share Posted May 29, 2018 Iuz the Evil, RDU Neil and Doc Shadow 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted May 29, 2018 Report Share Posted May 29, 2018 9 hours ago, Ragitsu said: https://splinternews.com/trump-and-congress-just-made-it-easier-for-auto-lenders-1826211741 Garbage from a garbage President. It's part of their platform. At least they're consistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcw43921 Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 How's That Again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 Porn star turns in shotgun to Austin PD At least we're safe from that one! <- thanks LL Edit: From the article linked by wcw43921: " 'It’s available on the shelf when you walk in the grocery store. Yeah, you have to reach up to get it, but there’s pornography there,' she continued. " Someone needs to tell Black about the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 18 minutes ago, Pattern Ghost said: Porn star turns in shotgun to Austin PD At least we're safe from that one! (we need an eyeroll emoji -- for both ladies) Did you mean, on this website? If so, we have one: Just type rolleyes bracketed by colons on each side. Or scroll down to the bottom of the emoji drop down list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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