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On 4/29/2018 at 9:50 AM, Lord Liaden said:

 

On 4/29/2018 at 2:39 PM, Sociotard said:

 

Article talks about the emphasis on training, including for deescalation and not-confusing-a-phone-for-a-gun.  Valid.

 

And yet, the rate for Canadian officers to die is 5.6 per 100,000 active officers per year, 1961 to 2009

https://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2010003/article/11354/tbl/tbl01-eng.htm

 

For the US, it is 7.1 per 100,000 per year, 1992 to 2012

Number killed 2007 to 2016 (only took 1992 to 2012) https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2016/officers-feloniously-killed/tables/table-1.xls

https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2008

https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/1998

Full Time 1992 to 2012  https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/nsleed.pdf

 

The US kills its officers at a higher rate than Canada. We can't really answer why Canadian Police are more restrained than US Police, until we know why the Canadian population is more restrained.

 

 

I had to revisit this discussion, because I realized this is a false equivalency. The difference in police officers being killed is 7.1 per 100,000 people in the United States, vs 5.6 in Canada. The per-capita rate of people being shot and killed by police in the United States is seven times higher than in Canada. That's not remotely proportional.

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Who said anything about proportional?  Humans are not rational proportional creatures.  I would only expect more police shootings to result in 

a) police afraid of being shot

b) police training and procedures to be more focused on the potential of being shot

 

It would not surprise me if the relationship between police-killed and killed-by-police had a multiplier or an exponent on it. I do wish I could find a by-year count of Canadian police killed for a better comparison. I'd like to see how it compares to individual US states.

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On 5/17/2018 at 11:51 AM, Sociotard said:

Who said anything about proportional?  Humans are not rational proportional creatures.  I would only expect more police shootings to result in 

a) police afraid of being shot

b) police training and procedures to be more focused on the potential of being shot

 

It would not surprise me if the relationship between police-killed and killed-by-police had a multiplier or an exponent on it. I do wish I could find a by-year count of Canadian police killed for a better comparison. I'd like to see how it compares to individual US states.

 

I would be very surprised if anyone could provide a "multiplier" that justifies a 29% higher rate of police being shot between the two countries, equating to a 600% higher rate of people being shot by police. The only multiplier that could do that is fear, which is not a good quality to base protecting the public on.

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It is an interesting case. It may be that circumstances are different for Trump's twitter account because he uses it as one of, if not the, main channel by which he communicates with the American people. He's not a private individual using it for personal purposes. Allowing some Americans to respond to it while forbidding others is censorship at best, propaganda at worst.

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30 minutes ago, Sociotard said:

Fascinating. I'm not even sure I agree with the ruling. I thought the First just covered the right to speak, not the right to be heard.

 

Trump Can't Blocker Twitter Users Based On Their Political Views

 

The President is a public governmental* figure tasked with representing/serving every citizen regardless of their political views. Having people he doesn't agree with blocked seems like a major no-no.

 

(*Was that double-dipping: "public governmental"? Are all government employees "public" by the very nature of their occupation?)

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-calls-off-meeting-north-koreas-kim-135250907.html

 

I am  . . . distraught. I know that incumbents usually win, but I had hope that maybe Trump could just ride out the next 2.5 years and then go away. But I'm starting to think he won't make it that long before he starts a conflict in North Korea or Iran.  Can you imagine the North Korean war NOT dragging in China and Japan? (Taiwan too, if Trump is super incompetent). And an Iranian one could shift the proxy wars presently in Syria to involve Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and maybe even Russia.  Heck, Europe could get dragged into that one.

 

It's always been a sore spot for me that I can't vote for a genuine peace candidate. The US electorate is just too interventionist, too fond of swinging its oversized military on the global stage. I voted against McCain because of his "bomb bomb iran" joke, but Obama couldn't help himself from attacking Libya with no endgame strategy, or mucking about in Syria with even less long-term strategy or cohesive philosophy.  Hillary was a notorious Hawk, and I voted for her anyway, but I know she would've started something.  But Trump is just so bad at the philosophy aspect . . . I am distraught.

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I'm just crossing my fingers that someone talked Trump into letting actual diplomats handle North Korea. The summit was just Kim baiting Trump into looking bad and trying to gain leverage, IMO. No good would have come from it. So long as Trump can avoid provoking NK, the cancellation could be the best outcome.

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11 minutes ago, Pattern Ghost said:

I'm just crossing my fingers that someone talked Trump into letting actual diplomats handle North Korea. The summit was just Kim baiting Trump into looking bad and trying to gain leverage, IMO. No good would have come from it. So long as Trump can avoid provoking NK, the cancellation could be the best outcome.

 

ohwaityoureseriousletmelaughevenharder.jpg?

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16 hours ago, Sociotard said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-calls-off-meeting-north-koreas-kim-135250907.html

 

I am  . . . distraught. I know that incumbents usually win, but I had hope that maybe Trump could just ride out the next 2.5 years and then go away. But I'm starting to think he won't make it that long before he starts a conflict in North Korea or Iran.  Can you imagine the North Korean war NOT dragging in China and Japan? (Taiwan too, if Trump is super incompetent). And an Iranian one could shift the proxy wars presently in Syria to involve Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and maybe even Russia.  Heck, Europe could get dragged into that one.

 

It's always been a sore spot for me that I can't vote for a genuine peace candidate. The US electorate is just too interventionist, too fond of swinging its oversized military on the global stage. I voted against McCain because of his "bomb bomb iran" joke, but Obama couldn't help himself from attacking Libya with no endgame strategy, or mucking about in Syria with even less long-term strategy or cohesive philosophy.  Hillary was a notorious Hawk, and I voted for her anyway, but I know she would've started something.  But Trump is just so bad at the philosophy aspect . . . I am distraught.

It'll be all right. It has to rain sometime.

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Porn star turns in shotgun to Austin PD

 

At least we're safe from that one! :rolleyes:  <- thanks LL

 

Edit: From the article linked by wcw43921: " 'It’s available on the shelf when you walk in the grocery store. Yeah, you have to reach up to get it, but there’s pornography there,' she continued. " :rofl:

 

Someone needs to tell Black about the internet.

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18 minutes ago, Pattern Ghost said:

Porn star turns in shotgun to Austin PD

 

At least we're safe from that one! (we need an eyeroll emoji -- for both ladies)

 

 

Did you mean, on this website? If so, we have one: :rolleyes:  Just type rolleyes bracketed by colons on each side. Or scroll down to the bottom of the emoji drop down list.

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