Starlord Posted June 12, 2018 Report Share Posted June 12, 2018 https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/11/politics/trump-kim-summit-singapore/index.html It seems like the only 'guarantee' to come from this was secured by Kim as the joint war games will end. There don't seem to be any real details or deadlines re: denuclearization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 12, 2018 Report Share Posted June 12, 2018 Kim, like Putin, has spent his whole life swimming with sharks, where one miscalculation could literally mean death. They know how to play the game at this level. Kim got the most important things he wanted out of this meeting, while giving up virtually nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted June 12, 2018 Report Share Posted June 12, 2018 Kim Jong-Un would be a fool to give up his nuclear weapons; the United States government has shown what it will do once a mildly hostile country de-fangs itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Ragitsu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 The deal lifted crippling economic sanctions ... in exchange for very weak limits on the regime's nuclear activity, and no limits at all on its other malign behavior... In other words, at the point when the United States had maximum leverage, this disastrous deal gave this regime -- and it's a regime of great terror -- many billions of dollars, some of it in actual cash -- a great embarrassment to me as a citizen and to all citizens of the United States. The fact is this was a horrible, one-sided deal that should have never, ever been made. It didn’t bring calm, it didn’t bring peace, and it never will. Making matters worse, the deal’s inspection provisions lack adequate mechanisms to prevent, detect, and punish cheating, and don't even have the unqualified right to inspect many important locations, including military facilities. I expect these snippets from Trump's comments on the Iran nuclear deal could be used word-for-word a few years from now. Hopefully by another speaker, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Just landed - a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future! - Donald J. Trump So...we're all good now. No worries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 As long as that's just one of Trump's usual self-aggrandizing boasts. My greatest fear is that he actually believes what he's saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 Yeah, I'd have liked to see a bit more in terms of assurances that I won't have to get another one of those missile test alerts. RDU Neil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDU Neil Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Old Man said: Yeah, I'd have liked to see a bit more in terms of assurances that I won't have to get another one of those missile test alerts. I wanted to hit the laughing and sad emoji's together on that one, but alas... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 Complacency is our enemy. Anyone that does not embrace the @realDonaldTrump agenda of making America great again will be making a mistake. — Ronna McDaniel (@GOPChairwoman) June 14, 2018 Why this doesn't sound like a veiled threat at all... And the horse you rode in on, McDaniel Ragitsu and TrickstaPriest 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 Republicans Absorb New Lesson: Cross President Trump at Their Peril This sounds to me unsettlingly like the progress of an authoritarian regime consolidating power. And a stark reminder that it isn't laws or institutions that preserve and promote democracy; it's the people's faith in them and willingness to defend them. Ragitsu and TrickstaPriest 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 The rate of change is strange. Remember when the idea of treating Canadians as a US enemy was so silly they made a John Candy movie out of it? Andrew_A 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcw43921 Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 The Rosa Parks Of The 21st Century Netzilla 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 Netzilla, Twilight, Ragitsu and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 "Don't do what I do, do what I say!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDU Neil Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 And again, I have to read about these events and trends in the foreign press. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/14/doxxing-assault-death-threats-the-new-dangers-facing-us-journalists-covering-extremism?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+USA+-+Collections+2017&utm_term=278062&subid=24646434&CMP=GT_US_collection I truly am more and more terrified for our future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 I... truly do not know how to react to Old Man's post. Laugh, cry, or just confused? But it was an incredibly successful summit for Trump, at least for what matters to him. He was, again, the center of world attention. He got to make nice with someone as autocratic as he clearly wants to be -- fie on the rules-based international order, telling him what he can an cannot do! And if Kim fulfills any promise or makes any concession, however tiny and strategically meaningless, Trump can point to it and bray, "Where's my Nobel Peace Prize?" Which he is not going to get, because a) he won't really have done anything to make the world more peaceful, and b) Europe's intelligentsia hates him. But that's part of the benefit! It's one more grievance he nurse, and his base with him. Dean Shomshak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 Why isn't the "Pro Life" (read: Anti Choice), "family values", "What about the children?" crowd screaming at the top of their lungs about the injustice meted upon the separated and corralled children of illegal immigrants? They should, in fact, scream so loudly that their larynges are torn to shreds from the sheer exertion. Andrew_A 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 hour ago, DShomshak said: I... truly do not know how to react to Old Man's post. Laugh, cry, or just confused? But it was an incredibly successful summit for Trump, at least for what matters to him. He was, again, the center of world attention. He got to make nice with someone as autocratic as he clearly wants to be -- fie on the rules-based international order, telling him what he can an cannot do! And if Kim fulfills any promise or makes any concession, however tiny and strategically meaningless, Trump can point to it and bray, "Where's my Nobel Peace Prize?" Which he is not going to get, because a) he won't really have done anything to make the world more peaceful, and b) Europe's intelligentsia hates him. But that's part of the benefit! It's one more grievance he nurse, and his base with him. Dean Shomshak Abraham Lincoln had the right of it: "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power." And you know, I almost feel sorry for Trump's base. Many of them will wake up one day to the realization of what they supported, and have to live with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Ragitsu said: Why isn't the "Pro Life" (read: Anti Choice), "family values", "What about the children?" crowd screaming at the top of their lungs about the injustice meted upon the separated and corralled children of illegal immigrants? They should, in fact, scream so loudly that their larynges are torn to shreds from the sheer exertion. Because they really don't care about life and families. It's a cover. CES Andrew_A 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 10 hours ago, csyphrett said: Because they really don't care about life and families. It's a cover. CES Well, non-white life and families. Sarah Huckabee literally used the Bible to justify it yesterday. So there are 1500 kids being stored in an old Wal-Mart with murals of Trump painted on the walls. It's so horrifying I can barely stand to research the details. Ragitsu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Old Man said: Well, non-white life and families. Sarah Huckabee literally used the Bible to justify it yesterday. So there are 1500 kids being stored in an old Wal-Mart with murals of Trump painted on the walls. It's so horrifying I can barely stand to research the details. ? The brief blip that was non authoritarian rule... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 16 hours ago, Ragitsu said: Why isn't the "Pro Life" (read: Anti Choice), "family values", "What about the children?" crowd screaming at the top of their lungs about the injustice meted upon the separated and corralled children of illegal immigrants? They should, in fact, scream so loudly that their larynges are torn to shreds from the sheer exertion. Just heard on All Things Considered that numerous religious groups are in fact objecting. That the US Conference of Catholic Bishops speaks in favor of refugees is perhaps not surprising, but even the Southern Baptists are objecting to Jeff Sessions quoting scripture to justify his policy. A fellow who was actually one of Trump's Evangelical advisors called it "grotesque." We can only hope that in backing Trump for the sake of appointing anti-abortion judges, they sold their souls to the Devil. Dean Shomshak Twilight, Netzilla and Hermit 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 My slow connection doesn't let me edit. Final sentence of last post should say that I hope *Evangelicals realize* that in backing Trump for the sake of anti-abortion judges, they sold their souls to the Devil. Dean Shomshak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 Supposedly mentally ill road-raging Glock owner shoots mom and two of her kids "multiple times" at point blank range, killing 13-year-old and putting the mom and her 8-year-old into the hospital in critical condition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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