Lord Liaden Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 I have a theory about why Donald Trump seems to cater to and fawn over Vladimir Putin, and Kim Jong-Un for that matter. He wants to be like them. He sees them doing what they choose with their countries, with no dispute allowed. He sees that they've made themselves synonymous with their countries -- you can't think of Russia today without Putin, or North Korea without Kim. Those two men have shaped their nations in their own image, made them extensions and expressions of themselves. I believe Trump wants to do that with America; to turn it into Trumpland, his monument to his own ego. Only America is wealthier and more powerful than NK or Russia, so if Trump succeeds, in his mind he'll have upstaged Kim and Putin. The greatest show on Earth. BoloOfEarth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 George Takei: At Least During My Internment, I Was Not Taken From My Parents Lord Liaden, Iuz the Evil and Old Man 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 Canada also detains migrant children, sometimes for months at a time Sociotard and Andrew_A 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 10 hours ago, Sociotard said: George Takei: At Least During My Internment, I Was Not Taken From My Parents That's just the analogy I was thinking of. Even when history is living, we as a civilization often don't learn from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 This is a list of the companies currently profiting from the detention centers https://docs.google.com/document/d/16Z04gxhORlgmS5sDhnX_ryDfSF8T2a6AwZWV1PMY-H8/mobilebasic Cancer, Netzilla, TrickstaPriest and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/600-united-methodist-clergy-file-church-complaint-against-attorney-general-n884726 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 I wonder if after the upcoming mid-term elections in the US we'll see a reversed rerun of what happened in Barack Obama's first term. During his initial two years, when the Democrats dominated Congress, Obama was able to get major legislation passed. Then after the mid-terms the Republicans gained hold of the legislature, after which he was stymied again and again. As frustrating as that looked at the time, now I'm thinking Democrats doing the same thing would be the best-case scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Cygnia said: This is a list of the companies currently profiting from the detention centers https://docs.google.com/document/d/16Z04gxhORlgmS5sDhnX_ryDfSF8T2a6AwZWV1PMY-H8/mobilebasic I definitely want to see hard information like this. I live in az and I run into way too many people who compare trump and Obama... Or think things like the Muller investigation is bunk... Or feel his policies are good somehow. I need me hard data Cassandra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 Sadly, many people no longer consider data "hard." They've come to suspect any source of information that differs from their preconceptions of being biased and disingenuous. So that list may not help your cause, TP. Ragitsu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 Its easier if you invest time and substantial references and resources. Its easier to appeal emotionally but I see far too much rationalization of that. The latest? These border stories are just to cover up the Muller investigation being biased. As if our Senate and Congress reviewing it aren't the ones with the most bias here..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 8 hours ago, Cygnia said: This is a list of the companies currently profiting from the detention centers https://docs.google.com/document/d/16Z04gxhORlgmS5sDhnX_ryDfSF8T2a6AwZWV1PMY-H8/mobilebasic Is it known who's assembling this? In case, y'know, they need help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 Der Furor has signed an executive order stopping his inhumane child separation policy. Now all we have to do is reunite 2000+ kids with their parents when virtually no information was recorded about any of them. They could at least have tattooed numbers on their arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 He has? ? That's one of the biggest of the (many) frustrating things about dealing with Trump: you can't count on him to stick with anything he says. He changes his mind with the shifting breeze. Dealing with a fool is manageable if he's at least consistent. That may be acceptable when negotiating one-on-one with someone where net personal gain is your only concern. But society, economy, and diplomacy suffer when there isn't consistency, reliability, structures and agreements you can trust to last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 Well, maybe to facilitate reunions we can put people on the trains that run on time. Please tell me we at LEAST have trains that run on time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 For profit-making coal, sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 We aren't so good at passenger trains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 Just now, Pattern Ghost said: We aren't so good at passenger trains. Darnit, Obama! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 27 minutes ago, Hermit said: Well, maybe to facilitate reunions we can put people on the trains that run on time. Please tell me we at LEAST have trains that run on time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/us/national-guard-trump-children-immigration.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 This reminds me of an episode of The Boondocks where it's revealed that Ann Coulter (a harpy that belittles anyone that's not lily white like herself) secretly dates black guys. That said, there may be something substantial to the idea that she engineered this encounter to make herself look like a victim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Old Man said: Der Furor has signed an executive order stopping his inhumane child separation policy. Now all we have to do is reunite 2000+ kids with their parents when virtually no information was recorded about any of them. They could at least have tattooed numbers on their arms. I may have spoken too soon--although the media is giddily reporting that the policy has been ended, a careful read of the EO shows that it is the opposite of forcefully worded. Basically, families can be kept together if it's convenient for ICE to do so. As such it reads more like passing the buck to Sessions and Nielsen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Cancer and Old Man 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranxerox Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 5 hours ago, Old Man said: Der Furor has signed an executive order stopping his inhumane child separation policy. Now all we have to do is reunite 2000+ kids with their parents when virtually no information was recorded about any of them. They could at least have tattooed numbers on their arms. 2 hours ago, Old Man said: I may have spoken too soon--although the media is giddily reporting that the policy has been ended, a careful read of the EO shows that it is the opposite of forcefully worded. Basically, families can be kept together if it's convenient for ICE to do so. As such it reads more like passing the buck to Sessions and Nielsen. Beyond that, the executive order, like so many other plans of the administration, is probably illegal. Trump's executive order would have the children detained with their parents. However, in 2014 a federal judge declared that children can not be detained in jail-like settings even with their parents. This is what led the Obama administration to letting both the parents and children go free while awaiting their asylum hearing. It is this "catch and release policy to illegal immigrants" over which folks at Fox and Friends got our president all worked up about, precipitating the whole lets take the children away so that we can lock the parents up policy. In face of public outcry, Trump is just reverting to the detaining children with their parents policy that the federal judge already ruled to be illegal. Having successfully come up with a even more inhumane way of treating the children of asylum seeker who enter the country with their parent than locking them up together, does not make the policy of locking the children up in jail suddenly legal. Netzilla and TrickstaPriest 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 However, it does give the appearance of being a more humane compromise -- could that have been Trump's plan all along? Or am I giving him too much credit for cunning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Don't overthink it. He certainly doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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