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"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

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12 minutes ago, Hermit said:

 

Interesting. Particularly in who he lost to. Practically his diametric opposite.

 

In a country tired of the old political elite, maybe what the Democrats need to rejuvenate their support is an influx of fresh blood.

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What the Democrats need to rejuvenate their support is sticking to an actual Democratic platform instead of being Republican-lite.

 

Of course, with the SCOTUS in full support of gerrymandering and voter purges, that may not be enough.

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12 hours ago, Hermit said:

 

Yeah... was reading this here... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/26/democrats-primaries-upset-joe-crowley-alexandria-osacio-cortez?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+USA+-+Collections+2017&utm_term=279391&subid=24646434&CMP=GT_US_collection

 

And I don't see why this is a bad thing. It is exactly what the Democrats need. Assuming the staid leadership realizes it. She may not be a Dem party member, but as Crowley did, the Dems should back her fully.

 

As Old Man said, the Dems have become Republicans (while the Republicans have become extremists in many cases) and that is the problem. The whole country has swung so far to the right, that Hillary is considered a liberal. (She was a Goldwater Girl for christsakes!) I mean, I voted for her as the best candidate for the job at the time, but I really don't like the mainstream Democratic ties to Wall Street and the like. I'm much more of a Democratic Socialist in leaning, but not a Bernie-Bro ideologue. The fact that Bernie is considered "radical" is just another indication of how far the Center has swung right.

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I don't find it 'bad' but I was surprised, and more than a little impressed.

 

I do agree the Democrats have become , in their way, almost as (Or perhaps just as much) corporate owned as the Republicans. So yes, I like what I hear about this woman spurning corporate donations. 

 

The Democrats have lost a lot of the trust they had from blue collar workers. They need to get it back if they hope to swing things around.

 

Of course, my own biases against monopolies and big biz maybe blinding me to some real politik

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1 hour ago, Hermit said:

I don't find it 'bad' but I was surprised, and more than a little impressed.

 

I do agree the Democrats have become , in their way, almost as (Or perhaps just as much) corporate owned as the Republicans. So yes, I like what I hear about this woman spurning corporate donations. 

 

The Democrats have lost a lot of the trust they had from blue collar workers. They need to get it back if they hope to swing things around.

 

Of course, my own biases against monopolies and big biz maybe blinding me to some real politik

 

yes to all of this almost... though I know it is my own biases that I balk at the "ennobling" of the famed "blue collar worker" who has never really shown a noble streak, but only short sighted self-interest, easily swayed, and highly racist.

 

"Yay Unions... give me more money!  Yay Democrats supporting unions... I've got my own moneyed interest now!  Boo Unions... why is this black guy in my union?  Boo Democrats who support policies that help other people not just me.  Yay Trump!"

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23 hours ago, RDU Neil said:

 

I will go try to find that book... thanks!  (I'm old, but not 1920's old.)

 

 

Edit... ok I think I found it. Both 1957 and 1989 editions available

 

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From the 1930's I guess.

Just to be clear, I haven't read the book myself. Daniel Patrick Moynihan cited it in a book of his essays about the politics of ethnicity. Moynihan was a sociologiest before he had a political career himself.

 

Right now I'm reading The Great Revolt: Inside the Populist Coalition Reshaping American Politics, by Salena Zito and Brad Todd. Their thesis: Trump's election was not a fluke of one man's charisma and a deplorable electorate, it's the coming together of several large groups that feel alienated from the political establishment and especially by those bad ol' out-of-touch coastal elites. Yes, I suspect their purpose is polemical as much as reportorial: their listing of Red-looded and Blue Collared, Perot-istas, Rough Rebounders, Girl Gun Power, Rotary Reliables, King Cyrus Christians, and Silent Suburban Moms leaves out the Hard-Core Bigots that we saw a great deal of during the election. But I have only just started reading. I'll see if their case studies of Trump voters includes the racial anxiety that was found by, say, National Geographic's recent examination of a Pennsylvania town's Trump voters.

 

Dean Shomshak

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2 hours ago, Dr.Device said:

 

Well, that's that.

 

I honestly doubt our nation will survive the next few years. Not in any form that's worth calling America, anyway.

 

Yup, we're done.  Only question is whether to wait and see how things shake out in November, or if I should start looking into moving now.  Any suggestions for countries with decent weather and healthcare?

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11 minutes ago, Old Man said:

 

Yup, we're done.  Only question is whether to wait and see how things shake out in November, or if I should start looking into moving now.  Any suggestions for countries with decent weather and healthcare?

... We have snow.

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26 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said:

Wow. For a people who threw off a tyrannical monarchy, tamed the West, won two World Wars, split the atom, overturned institutional racism, went to the Moon, and built the biggest economy in the world... 

 

Don't forget the plastic hula hoop.

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30 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said:

Wow. For a people who threw off a tyrannical monarchy, tamed the West, won two World Wars, split the atom, overturned institutional racism, went to the Moon, and built the biggest economy in the world... you guys sure throw the towel in fast. :(

 

On-the-shoulders-of-giants...-winning-en

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51 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said:

Wow. For a people who threw off a tyrannical monarchy, tamed the West, won two World Wars, split the atom, overturned institutional racism, went to the Moon, and built the biggest economy in the world... you guys sure throw the towel in fast. :(

 

Sorry, lot of bad news coming in all at once can do that to you, at least for a bit.

 

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