unclevlad Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 Yeah, in some ways this is likely to be the most messy outcome, and a big negative is that messy is chaotic, and Trump thrives on chaos. And it's a ways away, but don't be surprised if there's a government shutdown in fall 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Ruggels Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Pattern Ghost said: That's not going to happen, for a huge number of reasons. I can hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Walsh Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 (For the record, I voted in early voting a couple of weeks ago.) Well, things seem to have turned out pretty much as expected. The House and a few more governorships went to the D column (including my home state of IL, as expected given Rauner's extreme unpopularity). And there were some Senate pickups for the R's. We'll see how it all plays out for 2020's Presidential election and census! In other news, I think it's good that 64% of the people of Florida voted in favor of an Amendment to the Florida Constitution allowing convicted felons to vote once they have served their time (if they aren't murderers or violent sex offenders). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 Question #1 on yesterday's Utah ballot would have recommended a 10¢/gallon tax on gasoline (about +$1.25 when I filled up last week, for perspective) to raise $100 million for education and road construction. Utah voters shot it down by a 2-1 margin. So our drivers will still dodge potholes year round, our schools will still struggle to attract and retain good teachers, and our classrooms and freeways will remain perpetually overcrowded, with no relief in sight on any of those fronts. But hey, we still have cheap gas! Way to go, Utah! That'll show 'em! Joe Walsh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 Republican Senator Dean Heller lost his seat to Democrat Jacky Rosen, making the delegation from Nevada to Congress all Democrat, except for Congressional District 2. Both Governor and Lt Governor flipped to Democrats as well. Question 1 was about expanded rights to victims of crimes. It passed with 61.2% of the vote. Question 2 was about removing sales taxes from feminine hygiene products. It passed with 56.5% of the vote. Question 3 was about deregulating electricity. It failed with 67.1% voting no. Question 4 was about removing sales taxes from durable medical devices. It passed with 67.3% of the vote. Question 5 was about automatic voter registration at the DMV (opt-out available). It also allows for automatic updates of the voter rolls when an ID is updated. It passed with 59.9% of the vote. Question 6 was about increasing the mandate for renewable energy. It passed with 59.3% of the vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Ruggels Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 12 hours ago, Hermit said: *Sigh* Republicans have swept Tennessee Blackburn won handily Lee took governor by even more than that I hate the direction my state seems determined to head. I'd switch states with you, if I could. Hermit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, Scott Ruggels said: I'd switch states with you, if I could. If possible I'd probably be great with that. I do feel for conservatives who feel like they don't even have a tiny voice in their state, because I know what it's like from this angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 4 hours ago, Pariah said: But hey, we still have cheap gas! We have expensive gas here, and our roads suck. None of the money seems to get to the potholes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 11 hours ago, Scott Ruggels said: I can hope. McConnell says today that he will work for border wall funding during the lame duck session. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/415490-mcconnell-says-he-will-push-for-border-wall-funding Personally, I think the illegal immigration problems would be better off dealt with by using the government's full databases to E-Verify every current and future employee in the US since that's something which could be accomplished relatively quickly and cheaply rather than building a wall. But I know a physical wall appeals to a lot of people. Grailknight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Walsh Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 37 minutes ago, archer said: Personally, I think the illegal immigration problems would be better off dealt with by using the government's full databases to E-Verify every current and future employee in the US since that's something which could be accomplished relatively quickly and cheaply rather than building a wall. But I know a physical wall appeals to a lot of people. Couple that with heavy, heavy penalties for companies that hire people who are in the country illegally, and we may solve the problem. In fact, I'm in favor of the corporate death penalty for any company that hires an illegal immigrant, knowing or not. Full liquidation of all company assets, owners/stockholders lose everything, and any proceeds go to pay down the national debt. I'll even be generous and go with a three strikes and you're out standard, so long as the strikes follow everyone involved (every shareholder, every member of the board, every member of the management team). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 Washington state's carbon tax initiative lost. I guess creating a slush fund to buy off Native American tribes and "social justice" groups (whatever that means) is a net negative for voters. The initiative to ban soda taxes (under cover of banning taxes on milk and eggs) passed handily. Once again, giving legislative power directly to voters turns out to be an excellent tool for big-money corporate interests. Dean Shomshak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 Nature's take on scientist candidates in the US House (Nature here is the science journal based in the UK) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Ruggels Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, archer said: McConnell says today that he will work for border wall funding during the lame duck session. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/415490-mcconnell-says-he-will-push-for-border-wall-funding Personally, I think the illegal immigration problems would be better off dealt with by using the government's full databases to E-Verify every current and future employee in the US since that's something which could be accomplished relatively quickly and cheaply rather than building a wall. But I know a physical wall appeals to a lot of people. Oh, if E- Verify was implemented, it would be cheaper, and effective. The wall, though is a simple to understand deterrent. These Caravans must not cross our borders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 Voted. Took over an hour just to get started because the printers died barely an hour after the polling station opened. Aren't caravans kind of easy to spot? I don't know why anyone would build a whole wall to keep a caravan out when a couple dozen people could do the same. The problem with walls is they lock people in. Not just out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 Sessions is out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 Yep. Been wondering about the repercussions of all of that. While I hate how politically motivated the investigation could have seemed, I frankly think it was on the right track. Putin said quite openly that he had been working with Trump before the election, so... Yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Scott Ruggels said: These Caravans must not cross our borders. If they had Caravans*, they'd probably have the energy to do something naughty when they get here, but I think most of them will be half dead and little threat to anyone. Those that survive the whole trip. *Much better than walking: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, Pattern Ghost said: If they had Caravans*, they'd probably have the energy to do something naughty when they get here, but I think most of them will be half dead and little threat to anyone. Those that survive the whole trip. Yeah, I can't roll my eyes hard enough at people who allow themselves to be terrified by a couple thousand unarmed, penniless refugees on foot. Man up. Jesus. wcw43921 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 My grandfather used to come back into the country through a certain farm on the border with PDQ. My grandmother said that she was a citizen, to which my grandfather would joke about a convenient church fire. “Thirteen new citizens that day.” They had the advantage of looking like a bunch of folks up in Maine (French surnames), and they probably came in sometime in the late 1930s or early 1940s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 57 minutes ago, Cygnia said: Sessions is out Whitaker is now in direct control of the Mueller investigation. Rosenstein is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 Well, he should recuse, based upon a number of reasons, but probably won't. Things like this make me less optimistic about the future of the Republic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 If Twain were alive today the saying would be lie, damn lies, and Donald Trump translation: 30 seconds' worth of his post-election harangue...i mean press conference... warning, any more than that, and a barf bag is suggested..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 1 hour ago, megaplayboy said: Well, he should recuse, based upon a number of reasons, but probably won't. Things like this make me less optimistic about the future of the Republic. Also, consider this. Any moves to quash Mueller that have to go to court? Go to the new Court, with Kavanaugh. And Whitaker seems rather more likely to try to pull the plug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 Word is that instead of outright ending the investigation, he'll try a soft kill by defunding it or refusing to approve key activities like witness interviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 That sounds far too clever for a Trump appointee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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