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I feel this needs to be shared.  

Meanwhile over Mar-a Lago:  

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55 minutes ago, megaplayboy said:

The Virginia Tech shooter used a pair of high capacity pistols.  Most modern 9mm semi-autos will carry around 15 rounds per magazine.  Two pistols, one in each hand, holding 30 rounds, compares with an AR-style rifle carrying 30 rounds.  

 

I agree with you on the magazine capacity of larger pistols, but two pistols are nowhere near comparable with an AR-style rifle.

 

The rifle is substantially more accurate and produces wounds that are many times more lethal. 

Copied from a website I just lost track of:  The ammunition used by the AR-15, a .223 Remington cartridge, travels at approximately 3,000 feet per second and causes a significant cavitation effect — where a bullet is travelling so fast that it sends shock waves through the body and severely damages or kills displaced tissue.

 

It's also worth mentioning that lower tier bullet proof vests will be penetrated by the rifle and leave a dead security officer when handgun rounds would be stopped.

 

Rifles are so much worse.

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Typically unless the bullet is a magnum or cut down rifle cartridges like are used in the Casull, a pistol round will deform more and break when they hit a hard substance like bone. The NYME cut a guy open and found a 25 had entered a guy's skull through his eye and bounced around inside the brain case before losing its energy. Did no out damage to the skull at all. 38's have also been known to bounce off rib cages. .45's may break the bone and shatter. A 357  or 44 magnum have shot through cars.

 

Rifle bullets have been known to go through concrete walls which would stop a pistol round.

 

Pistols are easier to carry and concealable. They're easier to reload. Sometimes you might have to shoot the target more than one time before they go down.

 

You shoot a guy with a rifle, sometimes the bullet will keep going and hit somebody behind the original target.

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6 hours ago, megaplayboy said:

The Virginia Tech shooter used a pair of high capacity pistols.  Most modern 9mm semi-autos will carry around 15 rounds per magazine.  Two pistols, one in each hand, holding 30 rounds, compares with an AR-style rifle carrying 30 rounds.  

 

He used a Glock 19 (15 round 9mm) and a Walther P22 (10 round .22 LR).  The lethality of the attack had less to do with the capacity of the weapons and more to do with the speed of getting people medical attention, IMO. Handguns do significantly less tissue damage than rifles or shotguns.

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5 hours ago, csyphrett said:

Typically unless the bullet is a magnum or cut down rifle cartridges like are used in the Casull, a pistol round will deform more and break when they hit a hard substance like bone.

 

5 hours ago, csyphrett said:

You shoot a guy with a rifle, sometimes the bullet will keep going and hit somebody behind the original target.

 

Since we're talking mass shootings here, we're generally talking AR-15s with 5.56mm NATO ammo. Handguns are more likely to overpenetrate and 5.56 is more likely to break up on hitting any tissue, bone or otherwise. 5.56 fires lightweight bullets at extreme velocities (2500-3000 fps), resulting in fragmentation. Heavier, slower handgun rounds tend to retain mass and keep pushing through things. (9mm ammo typical weights are 115, 124, and 147 grains, whereas 5.56 bullet weights are typically 55, 62 or up to 75+ grains.) If you move up in caliber in a rifle, you get significantly heavier bullets pushed at the same or greater speeds, making the 5.56 look tame in comparison. But the 5.56 does far, far more tissue damage than any handgun round.

 

5 hours ago, csyphrett said:

Rifle bullets have been known to go through concrete walls which would stop a pistol round.

 

Here's an interesting video covering that.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Pattern Ghost said:

 

 

Since we're talking mass shootings here, we're generally talking AR-15s with 5.56mm NATO ammo. Handguns are more likely to overpenetrate and 5.56 is more likely to break up on hitting any tissue, bone or otherwise. 5.56 fires lightweight bullets at extreme velocities (2500-3000 fps), resulting in fragmentation. Heavier, slower handgun rounds tend to retain mass and keep pushing through things. (9mm ammo typical weights are 115, 124, and 147 grains, whereas 5.56 bullet weights are typically 55, 62 or up to 75+ grains.) If you move up in caliber in a rifle, you get significantly heavier bullets pushed at the same or greater speeds, making the 5.56 look tame in comparison. But the 5.56 does far, far more tissue damage than any handgun round.

 

 

Here's an interesting video covering that.

 

 

Did they do tests where the block was secured? It looked like some of the rounds hit but they said the bullets didn't go in the wood.

And this was cool, PG. Thanks for the video.

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Hmm. 

Thats disconcerting. 

https://www.chappatte.com/en/the-end-of-political-cartoons-at-the-new-york-times/?fbclid=IwAR08EVRv3WmkDIyUqZrnrIQoysMFf2nzsf53EVw6vHaTVKEqUB7dvTQkccg

 

Removing all political cartoons because of one cartoonists caricature of Nethanyanu as a seeing eye dog leading the blind Trump is a bit harsh.

 

How about judging each piece of political art on its own merits? No? Okay then..

 

I recommenced all Hero gamers to boycott New York Times all everything they are associated with. 

 

One of the victims of this artist purge says his opinion. 

https://www.chappatte.com/en/the-end-of-political-cartoons-at-the-new-york-times/?fbclid=IwAR08EVRv3WmkDIyUqZrnrIQoysMFf2nzsf53EVw6vHaTVKEqUB7dvTQkccg

Hopefully he will get onto Patreon or something.

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31 minutes ago, Trencher said:

Hmm. 

Thats disconcerting. 

https://www.chappatte.com/en/the-end-of-political-cartoons-at-the-new-york-times/?fbclid=IwAR08EVRv3WmkDIyUqZrnrIQoysMFf2nzsf53EVw6vHaTVKEqUB7dvTQkccg

 

Removing all political cartoons because of one cartoonists caricature of Nethanyanu as a seeing eye dog leading the blind Trump is a bit harsh.

 

How about judging each piece of political art on its own merits? No? Okay then..

 

I recommenced all Hero gamers to boycott New York Times all everything they are associated with. 

 

One of the victims of this artist purge says his opinion. 

https://www.chappatte.com/en/the-end-of-political-cartoons-at-the-new-york-times/?fbclid=IwAR08EVRv3WmkDIyUqZrnrIQoysMFf2nzsf53EVw6vHaTVKEqUB7dvTQkccg

Hopefully he will get onto Patreon or something.

 

This is why I didn't like conservative censorship back in the olden days - lead mostly by the evangelicals - and why I dislike so intensely the desire of the control-left to censor any voice with wrong think in modern times.

 

Let the ideas out in the light of day so the good ones can be celebrated, the bad ones rejected and evil ones condemned.

 

Silencing dissent is the first step of fascism and should be rejected by everyone.

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4 hours ago, Old Man said:

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Need to update this with a 3rd frame that has Military Industrial Complex under the mask.

 

Way too many president elects get into office swearing up and down there will be no new wars and then....new wars.  Bush, Obama (2x I think), and sadly now it looks like Trump as well.

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2 hours ago, Pariah said:

The same classic blunder we've been tied up in since 9/11: Land War(s) in (southwest) Asia. 

 

Let's just hope that we're not stupid enough to go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line...😊

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On 6/16/2019 at 3:29 AM, Pariah said:

Makes sense if you're not paying attention to them anyway.

 

Trump's order to slash number of science advisory boards blasted by critics as 'nonsensical'

 

It is not like he depends on facts and figures in any case - you can understand why UK politicians might complain about him calling London's murder rate failure...

 

https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/16/murder-graph-shows-london-killings-compare-us-cities-9971033/

 

 

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53 minutes ago, Doc Democracy said:

 

It is not like he depends on facts and figures in any case - you can understand why UK politicians might complain about him calling London's murder rate failure...

 

https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/16/murder-graph-shows-london-killings-compare-us-cities-9971033/

 

 

What makes all of these murder rate statistics so interesting is they prove that murder rate is a complex multivariate problem.

 

Also, cities with very low crime rates can blow their statistics in a single year or two by just having a small uptick.  Ex:  Plano, TX had a murder rate that was lower that a lot of Europe from 2009-2016.  Then in 2017-2018 they get a whopping 11 extra murders and they go from a per 100k rate of 1.4ish to almost 5.0.  The last two years were up 11, then down 5.  Minus that pretty nasty spike the city is looking to return to it's previous rate of about 1.4 per 100k.

 

Given the gun ownership rate in this part of Texas I feel this blows the whole more guns = more gun murder arguments to hell.

 

The reason the murder rate in St. Louis is 30-40x what it is in Plano while the cities are of similar size is very telling.  There is something very wrong going on in St. Louis.  Figure out what it is and fix it.

It's not the guns.  It's the willingness of people in that city to murder each other.

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