Iuz the Evil Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/10/politics/trump-second-amendment/index.html Secret Service didn't apparently find it funny at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 All the backpedalling is disingenuous. If he wanted to encourage people of a certain viewpoint (in this case, the viewpoint that gun ownership rights would be curtailed to a greater and unwarranted degree under a Clinton Presidency) to vote for him to preserve those rights, he could have just come out and said "...the Second Amendment people, maybe there is: vote for me," rather than the coy insinuation, eminently deniable, of "I don't know..." It is plain to see that he knew what he was saying, knew he shouldn't and knew the furore it would raise. The denials and post-hoc rationalisation are simply risible attempts by his staff to cover an ass he really loves to flash about; and who's to deny that it's a successful political approach so far? It also avoided him actually making any promises himself to not appoint any anti-gun Supreme Court Justices. Trump has fully grokked (right or wrong) the concept that there is no such thing as bad publicity. So to get lots of publicity without even having to make a policy commitment, it's meat with gravy to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 At 1 femtometer per minute, he should reach the top by election day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armitage Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 All the backpedalling is disingenuous. If he wanted to encourage people of a certain viewpoint (in this case, the viewpoint that gun ownership rights would be curtailed to a greater and unwarranted degree under a Clinton Presidency) to vote for him to preserve those rights, he could have just come out and said "...the Second Amendment people, maybe there is: vote for me," Plus, he specifically talked about preventing her from picking judges. "By the way, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks. Though the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know." Hillary won't get to make Supreme Court nominations until after she is President. If he was talking about voting, like the Trump translators say, instead of shooting..it would already be too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clonus Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 Brad Thor did the same thing to him on Glen Beck's radio show and got it suspended for a week. This is the first election that I remember where it has been suggested that nameless patriots should do their duty and save the country from unfit presidents CES Oh I can remember a few. However, having one of the candidates do it is a first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 Frankly, were I or another poster to engage in these types of verbal shenanigans in this thread ("many people are saying...) we'd get banned or moderated. It is unfortunate that is not available for Presidential candidates. What do you say, Simon? You available to moderate the candidates? Shadow Hawk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted August 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 Pretty sure that would be a quick route to "Most Hated Man in America" status... ...still tempting... Iuz the Evil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 To be fair, it wasn't clear whether he was advocating violence against Clinton, or the justices she appoints. He's giving the loonies some options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Pretty sure that would be a quick route to "Most Hated Man in America" status... ...still tempting... I always got the impression the prospect of people hating you didn't influence your decision-making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Pretty sure that would be a quick route to "Most Hated Man in America" status... ...still tempting... Or the most popular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Well, I wouldn't want to moderate Trump. Supposedly you could starting bleeding from your eyes and your...wherever. Iuz the Evil and DasBroot 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Johnson seems to be drawing more support from Trump than from Clinton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Should a foreign perspective interest anyone, More Canadians 'very' worried about Trump winning: poll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trencher Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Well to be fair a Nato without USA is a scary prospect for all Nato countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Plus, he specifically talked about preventing her from picking judges. "By the way, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks. Though the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know." Hillary won't get to make Supreme Court nominations until after she is President. If he was talking about voting, like the Trump translators say, instead of shooting..it would already be too late. I think the Trump-spin is that he meant for people to vote for him so HRC doesn't get to be Pres in the first place. Which would work, if Trump won't appoint gun-control Justices. So the fig-leaf, to mix a metaphor, at least carries some water. It's just gonna leak out the various holes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasBroot Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Calling the sitting President of the United States and his former Secretary of State co-founders of a terrorist organization. Then saying 'it was sarcasm'. This is how he keeps his followers whipped up - telling them what they want to hear knowing they won't hear a retraction. It's still astounding it's taken him this far. For someone who proclaims to hate the media due to bias he certainly is a master of manipulating it. His entire campaign is no different than any tabloid story - big, flashy front page that catches everyone's eye as they go through the check out line a grocery store and sticks with them whether they believe it or not -- itty itty bitty disclaimer inside that it's not true, or more often a tiny one paragraph retraction a month later after receiving a cease and desist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Selling is really the only thing Trump has consistently shown himself to be good at. Even in interviews about his buildings, he rarely seems to concern himself with much beyond how they look.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted August 13, 2016 Report Share Posted August 13, 2016 Selling is really the only thing Trump has consistently shown himself to be good at. Even in interviews about his buildings, he rarely seems to concern himself with much beyond how they look.. Which makes me wonder how good his companies are at the core functions of a commercial landlord -- keeping the building well maintained and safe, while fixing issues promptly when they emerge and providing the resources needed by the tenants to do their business. Given the way Trump treats him employees, I have my doubts. And I can't fathom to cognitive disconnect that drives evangelicals who claim to despise sin to back a casino magnate for the Presidency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 Pretty sure that would be a quick route to "Most Hated Man in America" status... ...still tempting... Or the most popular. Probably both. (Does that mean they'd cancel each other out?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 It just hit me... Donald Trump's behavior toward his opponents has been the political equivalent of an Internet troll. Making harsh accusations often not supported by fact, then acting offended by and lashing out at anyone who calls him on it; or proclaiming them a joke after the fact, and scorning people who didn't "get it." Netzilla, aylwin13, gewing and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 It just hit me... Donald Trump's behavior toward his opponents has been the political equivalent of an Internet troll. Making harsh accusations often not supported by fact, then acting offended by and lashing out at anyone who calls him on it; or proclaiming them a joke after the fact, and scorning people who didn't "get it." It's kind of why the other candidates had problems with him in the primary. They were running political campaigns, and he was running a reality show. DasBroot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armitage Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 It's kind of why the other candidates had problems with him in the primary. They were running political campaigns, and he was running a reality show. It's similar to when Jesse Ventura was running for Governor of Minnesota. His opponents agreed to let him participate in the debates, expecting him to make a fool of himself, but forgetting that he had decades of experience working behind microphones and in front of cameras, and playing to audiences. Enforcer84 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 It's kind of why the other candidates had problems with him in the primary. They were running political campaigns, and he was running a surreality show. There, fixed that for ya. Shadow Hawk and Ternaugh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 It's similar to when Jesse Ventura was running for Governor of Minnesota. His opponents agreed to let him participate in the debates, expecting him to make a fool of himself, but forgetting that he had decades of experience working behind microphones and in front of cameras, and playing to audiences. This. The pundits and beltway insiders are still blowing off Trump because he's beyond ridiculous and deeply offensive. They keep forgetting that enough voters like ridiculous and offensive enough to have gotten him the nomination in the first place. I'd say probably a minority of voters even attempt to understand anything about policy or economics or foreign relations. Trump is angry and he's not one of the people who've been causing problems in DC the past couple of decades, and that's good enough for them. Compounding this is the fact that the Democrats have fielded the second most unpopular presidential candidate since Mondale. (Never mind that she's also the best qualified candidate since Bush I.) Hillary would have a very serious problem if she was up against any half-civilized GOP nominee. Her lead in the polls mean nothing if the voters don't show up. If there is one thing Trump voters have going for them, it's enthusiasm. Enforcer84 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 Interesting analysis of Trump tweets: http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/do-trump-s-own-tweets-come-multiple-devices-n629401 The actual analysis is at http://varianceexplained.org/r/trump-tweets/ The short version is that reasonable tweets (via iPhone) are likely from RNC staffers, and over-the-top tweets (from an Android phone) are likely from the Donald himself. So if it really sounds like "the best words," it's probably not coming from Trump himself. This isn't a surprise to me at all, though it's nice that someone took the steps to give reasonable evidence to support the hypothesis. Best comment IMO: "I guess this really is a case of Apples vs Oranges." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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