Hermit Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 Yeah. Mostly what I hear from Republicans is "LALALALALA" with ears plugged and "This is all Hearsay" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 Or literal gaslighting. "That conversation didn't happen!" Over and over again, so Fox news can clip it. Did they not read the transcript? >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 Serious question: Is there a transcript? I thought it was a summary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 13 minutes ago, Pariah said: Serious question: Is there a transcript? I thought it was a summary. True, it's a summary, but it's apparently not been heavily edited - though it may have been edited in a way to exclude a few choice or important words. I only judge this because the criticism of it by one of the reports is that there are 'a few words missing'. I'd be curious if there was a huge difference in actual content (besides a few critical points, perhaps?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Walsh Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 Well, the White House produced that summary, so I don't see how they can complain about the content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 How Internet Trolls And Online Extremists Are 'Hijacking ... www.npr.org/2019/11/12/778502116 Andrew Marantz is the author of the new book "Antisocial: Online Extremists, Techno-Utopians, And The Hijacking Of The American Conversation." Andrew Marantz, welcome to FRESH AIR. Your book is... I hope this attempt to copy and paste a link works. If not, Google Fresh Air Antisocial Marantz. Summary: NPR program Fresh Air interviews New Yorker reporter Andrew Marantz about his new book Antisocial: Internet Extremists, echno-Utopians and the Hijacking of the American Conversation. Marantz spent a year closely observing the alt-right and seeing how they, to use their own words, "memed Donald Trump into the White House." He describes the ease with which white supremacists use social media to manipulate mass media. Case study: the "Is Hillary Sick?" story. A group comes up with the speculation that Hillary Clinton has Parkinson's based on, what, how she blinks in a snippet of video? They retweet it back and forth. Twitter dutifully reports this as trending, even though it's all within a small echo chamber. This brings it to the notice of Breitbart or the Drudge Report, which spreads the story. So Fox News picks it up. So everybody picks it up -- and even if a "mainstream" media outlet concludes there's nothing there, the story nevertheless gets repeated. Presto: A thousand people plant an idea in hundreds of millions of minds. Marantz particularly takes Mark Zuckerberg to task for his refusal to take any responsibility for how Facebook is exploited, though Zuckerberg is emblematic of a wider attitude. He notes that when Zuckerberg talks about the importance of free speech, don't censor anyone for any reason, he keeps his arguments completely abstract and divorced from real events and the real choices they bring. (Anyone seriously interested in these issues should read "Areopagitica," by John Milton -- yes, that John Milton. He wrote his argument at a time when Europe's wars of religion still raged. Books were genuinely dangerous, and it took a lot of courage to accept that danger. But Milton also argued that books could be criminal and destructive just as people were -- and like human criminals, they should be suppressed once their criminality was proved beyond a reasonable doubt. I think this standard can apply when people use social media to whip up murderous mobs, as has happened in India and Myanmar.) One interesting point Marantz reports: The people he studied don't back Trump so much anymore. They figure he's given them as much as he will. Instead a lot of them back Tulsi Gabbard, as the most radical candidate who isn't Trump. They particularly like her extreme anti-war stance: Perhaps oddly, a lot of the alt-righters Marantz studied came to their positions through extreme pacifism, or at least an anti-war isolationism. It's an interesting talk, and I recommend it. Dean Shomshak L. Marcus, pinecone, Old Man and 2 others 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dmjalund Posted November 14, 2019 Report Share Posted November 14, 2019 6 hours ago, Hermit said: Yeah. Mostly what I hear from Republicans is "LALALALALA" with ears plugged and "This is all Hearsay" *Heresy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 4 hours ago, dmjalund said: *Heresy That too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 Kentucky GOP governor Bevin has actually conceded the election he lost a few days ago, apparently after the electorate blew up the state GOP’s phones when they realized he was going to try to contest it. Oh, and there was another school shooting because America. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 31 minutes ago, Old Man said: Kentucky GOP governor Bevin has actually conceded the election he lost a few days ago, apparently after the electorate blew up the state GOP’s phones when they realized he was going to try to contest it. Oh, and there was another school shooting because America. I'm hearting the Kentucky thing, certainly not the latter thing. 😕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Walsh Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 8 hours ago, TrickstaPriest said: I'm hearting the Kentucky thing, certainly not the latter thing. 😕 Right! That's a tough post to react to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 Managed to catch the Wednesday deposition, but none of the others. Just not healthy this week @_@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 Sorry to hear that, TP. But if your health is already fragile, not listening to what's being deposed is probably beneficial. Cygnia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranxerox Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 The Other Side Is Not As Extreme As You Think Hermit, Bazza, Lord Liaden and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 Sadly, as this review is based on factual data, it will make no dent in the entrenched views of people on the extremes They're already a lost cause on that front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 Spectrum news is reporting Trump is considering pardons for war crimes committed by our troops CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 Not just considering it. He's already done it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 What an idiot. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 Idiocy, or moral bankruptcy mixed with a healthy contempt for our armed forces? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armitage Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 He's in the process of turning the US military into mercenaries (Saudi Arabia, South Korea). They have greater value if they're immune to war crime charges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJoe3 Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Old Man said: Idiocy, or moral bankruptcy mixed with a healthy contempt for our armed forces? Both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 The article I linked to speculates that it's a political calculation, that Trump thinks will appeal to his base. That would be consistent with what appears to be his only priority at this time: getting reelected, by whatever means necessary, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 All Things Considered interviewed a former Marine officer who now teaches the laws of war. He thinks it sets a *terrible* precedent. Military personnel will be readier to act on their worst impulses and less ready to report abuses; civilians in areas where the US military operates will be less trusting; officers tasked with enforcing military codes and lawful conduct will do so with an eye out for covering their ass, unsure that the commader-in-chief -- or a higher-up who wants to please the commander-in-chief -- will not reverse them, or even punish them for a judgment that is legally correct but unpopular with the party base. I am reminded of Aral Vorkosigan's speech in Shards of Honor about the "scum of the service" and the pernicious effect of bad officers on young soldiers who look to them as models of conduct. Dean Shomshak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted November 18, 2019 Report Share Posted November 18, 2019 Asylum officers rebel against Trump policies they say are immoral and illegal This is where the test of government policy always comes -- whether the officials on the front lines are willing to carry it out. pinecone and TrickstaPriest 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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