Lord Liaden Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 I agree with you, but at least Bloomberg comes into the race with actual political experience. He also made his money himself, rather than inheriting or stealing it. And he has enough social conscience to have given a sizeable chunk of it to charity. I mean, if someone forced you to vote for a billionaire, he's better than many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 He couldn't just have them shot, I suppose. Trump fires key impeachment witnesses Sondland, Lt. Col. Vindman in purge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Pariah said: He couldn't just have them shot, I suppose. Trump fires key impeachment witnesses Sondland, Lt. Col. Vindman in purge Fired Vindman's brother too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 What is "Guilt by association?" I'll take Logical Fallacies of the Trump Administration for $400, Alex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 This is where it starts -- revenge against "political enemies" whose commitment to duty was greater than loyalty to the current regime. Message: if you're not one of mine, you have reason to fear. Joe Walsh and TrickstaPriest 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Pariah said: He couldn't just have them shot, I suppose. Trump fires key impeachment witnesses Sondland, Lt. Col. Vindman in purge Well, one consequence of being a whistleblower, is if you don't succeed, being transferred out is necessary. Anything, different just isn't realistic like it or not. Edit: Everybody cant go back to work, and pretend nothing happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 Some old woman got a bad facial peel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armitage Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 On 2/6/2020 at 1:09 PM, Starlord said: And boy did he play the victim in his acquittal speech He's been playing the victim since literally Day One, when he claimed the media and the National Park Service were deliberately using photos that made his inauguration crowd look small. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 His lies aren't even clever. But he lies with such apparent conviction, you almost believe he believes them himself. As the old saying goes: The most important quality is sincerity. Once you learn to fake that, you've got it made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 Well, you are assuming he doesn't believe what he says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted February 9, 2020 Report Share Posted February 9, 2020 5 hours ago, Starlord said: Wow It's like an alien in Dr. Who.. and not even one they spent much budget or effort on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 Notinsane2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 So Biden is probably done...thank goodness. Still too early to call, but if Sanders wins the nomination then I recommend he choose Buttigieg as VP. If Buttigieg wins the nom, then I'd say he should go for Warren as VP. Although, Warren and Klobuchar are technically still in it for the time being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 See, I would suggest if Sanders wins it, he see if he and Yang can hit it off enough to have Yang be his VP pick. Yang has dropped out, but still has a lot of support, not just among democrats. Yang offsets the 'Bernie is old' thing, relatively, almost as much as Pete does. Yang is tech savvy, and has a lot of fresh ideas on how to help Americans deal with the economic ramifications of our evolving technology. And yes, Yang is a minority, which to some folks will be an appeal as well. Honestly, re: Biden, I've been saying I don't think folks are excited about him enough for a while now, but even I didn't expect this nosedive. Mind you, SC could turn be a safety net- but I have to wonder if Biden's seeming rudeness to voters hasn't rankled some folks. He's said more than once "Go vote for someone else" to individuals, but it sounds like whole crowds have said in response "you got it" I think Warren is going to have to drop out. I hope she and Bernie have resolved issues, because if she takes her ball AND voters and goes home, it may really hurt the progressive unity that that branch needs if they want to seal the deal. She might surprise me, and if she turned around and Allied with Klobuchar, it would be quite a coup for the latter. Then again, the tides might yet turn again. Bernie is playing in areas where he is loved so far. If 2016's trends repeat (And they can't exactly obviously) the South won't be friendly to him. I'm embarrassed to say it, but the word 'socialist' even democratic socialist, still has some resistance in the South. If Bernie can take the Great Lakes and West, while at least getting a strong second in the Southern States, we maybe onto something. And honestly, I just wish Bloomberg would go away now. Buttigieg might take it all, but like Bernie I expect he'll have some trouble in the South esp if the statements that has trouble with African American voters are true. That's a large population in the deep south. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 White House request: cut National Institutes for Health by 7% ... and science in general, really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Cancer said: White House request: cut National Institutes for Health by 7% ... and science in general, really ...to the surprise of precisely nobody who's been paying attention. Even in the absence of any other issues--and heaven knows there are other issues--I can't support the current regime due to their blatant anti-science agenda. Lee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 45 minutes ago, Pariah said: Even in the absence of any other issues--and heaven knows there are other issues--I can't support the current regime due to their blatant anti-science agenda. I'm an avid environmentalist, so... yep. Even outside of our government. Scientists are treated as enemies (or at least foolish) in our very media because of a very heavy religious bias. I can tell you that I worked at places connected to government research (particularly environmental), and its not nearly so strange or suspicious as people like to make it out to be. The real stories behind a lot of sites / work is a lot more banal and less interesting. Lastly, if you want a pretty depressing example of deflection (of responsibility and guilt), watch what's happened to Australia over the last 20 years. A huge concerted effort to propagandize against climate change, followed by what is now a general deflection - 'well we the government can't do anything about it so lets be ready to adapt'. No one mentions that they (the government, the coal lobby) fought to create this situation to begin with. assault and Joe Walsh 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcw43921 Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 "I Won't Be Changing My Mind" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 I think it's way too early to count out any of the Big Five (Sanders, Warren, Biden, Buttigieg, Klobuchar). And we haven't seen how voters respond to Bloomberg. One thing for sure, this race isn't going to be a coronation. I would like to like Biden more than I do. I value his experience. I don't hold his past compromises against him; I don't trust ideological rigidity. But his mind seems fraying, beyond his usual fumblemouth. And the argument for him to be front-runner never reached much beyond, "It's his turn now." Buttigieg talks a good game, and clearly he is very intelligent, but he just doesn't have the experience or the coattails to carry other candidates in other races. Sanders has the movement; Biden has the Establishment cred. Buttigieg has just himself. Bloomberg... I just don't know. The picture of a billionaire trying to buy his way in offends me, but at least he has real experience: Mayor of New York City is nearly as good as head of state for most countries. I hear he's racked up a lot of endorsements from other mayors, which means that as president he'd have a cadre of allies to help him implement policies and pressure others to go along. I wish I'd seen him on the debate stage, to get a sense of his mind. Not a fan of Warren. Kind of liking Klobuchar. Steyer should go away (but leaqve his checkbook, esp. to fund down-ballot races). I too would like to see Yang in some sort of cabinet post, along with many of the other early droppers-out, to help build the Democratic field for future races. Dean Shomshak TrickstaPriest and wcw43921 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 hour ago, wcw43921 said: "I Won't Be Changing My Mind" Of course not, because changing his mind would require the President to admit that he had been wrong about something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 4 hours ago, wcw43921 said: "I Won't Be Changing My Mind" "Brain injuries aren't serious. Heck, I've gotten by for years without using my brain for much at all. What's the problem, folks?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 If Sanders wins, the necessary strategy could be interesting for the Democrats. Despite being old enough to have actually met Karl Marx, I don't think he is likely to do good at all with the over 50 crowd. And might have to punt that whole demographic, in hopes they can get enough under 30s to vote. This is all potentially of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Walsh Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 I'm not a tweeter, but this thread where Blake Zeff explains how Bloomberg gets elected was worth reading all 17 tweets. https://twitter.com/blakezeff/status/1227976156936171520 DShomshak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted February 13, 2020 Report Share Posted February 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, GM Joe said: I'm not a tweeter, but this thread where Blake Zeff explains how Bloomberg gets elected was worth reading all 17 tweets. https://twitter.com/blakezeff/status/1227976156936171520 Thanks for sharing this. I find knowing 'playbooks' and 'tactics' in particular to be highly insightful. I always encourage everyone to 'learn the rules', because that's the only way to actually understand what goes on sometimes. That and stats/science. Joe Walsh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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