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Warren has dropped out

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/05/elizabeth-warren-drops-out-2020-121931

 

Not sure that's going to help Bernie that much  as their relationship was, sadly, rather frayed somewhat.

She would have made a good president I think. She fought, and continues to fight, for consumers like a tiger.

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Americans supposedly want change, but Bernie is unelectable because he's too "radical"(i.e wants too much change). But "no change" Biden is suddenly everyone's savior? I really just don't get this country sometimes. Of course, part of this is that the people really no longer have any effective say in what goes on...so it's no wonder nothing ever gets done. The world's most powerful economy can't provide education, medical care, and decent living standards for its populace? This can only go on for so long before something gives. As I've said, there's a lot of similarities between America now and France and Russia before their respective revolutions. The common thread being the government not giving a crap about what the people want. Our government had so far gotten away with it due to public apathy, but that won't last forever.

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7 hours ago, Starlord said:

 

See, I think Bernie Sanders is proof that they actually did take a good look in the mirror...aaaand then got scared and decided Hillary was nice and safe.

 

Exactly.  And then Hillary lost.

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4 minutes ago, Old Man said:

 

Exactly.  And then Hillary lost.

 

I'm just speaking as realistically as I can...it's not my fault the Dem party can't figure out what they want.  Bernie came along and fired up lots of people, but I don't think he's close to what the majority of Americans want...again, just being realistic.  His best chance was 4 years ago IMO.

 

PS:  The 'email' thing is a big X-factor in Hillary's loss, remove it completely and she probably wins.

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1 hour ago, Hermit said:

Warren has dropped out

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/05/elizabeth-warren-drops-out-2020-121931

 

Not sure that's going to help Bernie that much  as their relationship was, sadly, rather frayed somewhat.

She would have made a good president I think. She fought, and continues to fight, for consumers like a tiger.

 

IMO Warren would make a splendid vice-presidential candidate for either Biden or Sanders. She splits the difference between them nicely, likely drawing more "progressives" to Biden, or tempering concerns over Sanders' "extremism." And I don't think there's much doubt she could handle the Oval Office if either of the old boys kick off before the end of their term.

 

Politicians don''t have to like each other to work effectively together. Besides, what candidates say about each other during campaigns is to get elected -- serious politicians put that aside when it's time to actually govern.

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6 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said:

 

IMO Warren would make a splendid vice-presidential candidate for either Biden or Sanders. She splits the difference between them nicely, likely drawing more "progressives" to Biden, or tempering concerns over Sanders' "extremism." And I don't think there's much doubt she could handle the Oval Office if either of the old boys kick off before the end of their term.

 

Politicians don''t have to like each other to work effectively together. Besides, what candidates say about each other during campaigns is to get elected -- serious politicians put that aside when it's time to actually govern.

 

If Biden were to take Warren as VP pick, I would be thrilled to vote for him for the true outreach it showed.

I do worry there is a loud if smaller  fringe of Bernie supporters and perhaps Russian bots that would declare this as PROOF that everything was rigged, and Warren had stabbed Bernie in the back which is the only down side I can see.

 

Bernie could take Warren as a VP and that would be MY Dream ticket.

But a smarter more balanced move might be for Bernie to find a Centrist he respected and take him her as a VP option

 

 

I would also love to see Yang as a VP. I think with 4 years in the shadow of the president, he would learn SO Much, and he'd be a source of really interesting ideas about transitioning into the future  that our older nom options could use

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38 minutes ago, Dr. MID-Nite said:

Americans supposedly want change, but Bernie is unelectable because he's too "radical"(i.e wants too much change). But "no change" Biden is suddenly everyone's savior? I really just don't get this country sometimes.

 

It helps if you understand that a lot of American voters, on an intellectual level, aren't really sure what they want--but they know on a visceral level what they hate.

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13 hours ago, Badger said:

I do think winning the House in 2018 was the worst thing that could happen to the party.  It lead them to believe that being just anti-Trump works and is all they needed.  Rather than looking in the mirror, which a good trouncing would have forced upon them.  Unfortunately, this will be needed in 2020.  I hope the party can then honestly look at itself and do that.

 

I've heard plenty of people who claim to know what they're talking about argue that Dems won the House in 2018 thanks to moderate candidates who emphasized "kitchen table" issues such as the cost of health care, while staying away from Trump-bashing -- and so that's the playbook they should follow now.

 

Dean Shomshak

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48 minutes ago, Hermit said:

I would also love to see Yang as a VP. I think with 4 years in the shadow of the president, he would learn SO Much, and he'd be a source of really interesting ideas about transitioning into the future  that our older nom options could use

 

I respect Andrew Yang, and I believe he has a bright political future ahead of him. But as a practicing politician he's still a neophyte, and I have my doubts Americans would see him as being ready yet to sit in the big chair if something happened to the President. And given the candidates' ages, that's a pretty possible prospect. (And yes, I realize being a political neophyte worked for Trump. But that was a different kind of campaign appealing to a different kind of voter.)

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1 hour ago, Lord Liaden said:

And given the candidates' ages, that's a pretty possible prospect.

 

Boy, will those 2 old geezers be shaking a lot of hands (Coronavirus) from now until November.

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2 hours ago, DShomshak said:

 

I've heard plenty of people who claim to know what they're talking about argue that Dems won the House in 2018 thanks to moderate candidates who emphasized "kitchen table" issues such as the cost of health care, while staying away from Trump-bashing -- and so that's the playbook they should follow now.

 

Dean Shomshak

 

Wish I could believe, but try as I did, I couldn't find anything in 2018, that was anything, but promises of impeachment, and such.  (which I guess they delivered, but at the cost of 2020).  It isn't to say it didn't happen.  And I cant say, I had infinite time to worry about it outside my own state.

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2 hours ago, Pariah said:

 

It helps if you understand that a lot of American voters, on an intellectual level, aren't really sure what they want--but they know on a visceral level what they hate.

 

So Americans are the political equivalent of "valley girls"? Terrific. I guess I'm just expecting too much these days. 

 

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Part of thuh problem with our political situation currently in America is ya know, like, that us guys are torn between fear of change, fer shure real change, oh, baby and outrage at thuh status quo. Like, ya know, this creates an increasingly tense society which provides itself no outlet. Those in power only offer change in order to acquire more power, totes, but gross- most do their level best to make change never comes as they profit by thuh system that is like, ya know, currently installed. If they were you know smart, like, wow government officials would realize they must provide some real substance, oh, which would be adorbs, because a facade of it, mostly however stylish, totes merely increases thuh odds of thuh eventual backlash includin' them.

 

SO obvs.

 

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