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On 3/30/2020 at 11:36 PM, Sociotard said:

That's where I am. Idaho was one of the last four to get a confirmed case. We've now had two in my county. What may save us is that we are shut down, as much as we can, and have done so way earlier in the curve than New York did.

 

What I don't get is states like Arkansas that haven't put out those orders. Idaho is super conservative, so it isn't just that.

 

Here in Arkansas there hasn't been an official order, but non-essential businesses have largely closed voluntarily and people are largely practicing social distancing and staying home for the most part. There is a big streak of self-sufficiency in this region that doesn't necessarily correspond to social irresponsibility. Early Saturday evening my city had an EF-3 tornado cut through its two busiest streets at dinnertime and demolish the airport and the normally-packed mall; 83 homes were destroyed and another 375 damaged (with costs estimated at several hundred million dollars). Yet there was a grand total of 22 injuries, only 2 of them requiring hospitalization, and no deaths because everyone was home and able to take shelter quickly when the tornado sirens/alerts went off.

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2 hours ago, Starlord said:

 

You're missing a category:  lawyers testing the waters for a money-making 'rights infringement' lawsuit.

 

Makes sense. If Money=Free speech, then preventing profit even to save lives must be censorship!

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25 minutes ago, Hermit said:

 

Makes sense. If Money=Free speech, then preventing profit even to save lives must be censorship!

 

This isn't lowering my blood pressure at all.

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https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Exclusive-Captain-of-aircraft-carrier-with-15167883.php

 

So, apparently the Navy is looking to remove this captain from command of the USS Theodore Roosevelt, which had to evacuate sailors in Guam following an outbreak of Covid19. Which was detected after he approved shore leave in Vietnam in March.

 

And probably elsewhere in April. 

 

This is probably going to get complicated.

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7 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said:

Wow, Trump ducked out of that one fast. For once he realized that potato was too hot for him to handle. But he really threw Pence to the lions.

 

Back in the day, he was tearing it up on the dodgeball court...

 

...when his bone spurs weren't acting up, anyhow.

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On 4/1/2020 at 1:31 AM, Starlord said:

 

Actually, I've been quite impressed with the leadership here in Ohio so far on Coronavirus.  Gov DeWine and Dr Acton acted swiftly and have been ahead of the curve and their daily television briefings of have been rock solid.

 

DeWine was mentioned on today's episode of The Daily, the NY Times radio program/podcastt. The subject was the resurgence of governors in national politics, arguing they'd sort of been eclipsed in public consciousness for the last decade or so as culture wars intensified and politics became more nationally focused. But with Trump making the federal government irrelevant for two months in responding to coronavirus, it's been left to governors -- and the difference in their responses has been stark. NY's Cupmo has been the most visible, but DeWine was noted as an example that Republican governors have not all parrotted Trump's line that everything's fine. Conversely, Florida's DeSantis was called out as particularly psittaceous.

 

Here in The Other Washington, yesterday Gov. Inslee said something good: We are not helpless in this crisis. "We have power in this thing. And the power we have is we can use our heads."

 

And today he vetoes a passel of bills he'd previously worked hard to get passed, as a way to cut $445 million from the state budget over the next two years. Because state revenues are going to take a beating, and there just won't be money for everything.

 

Dean Shomshak

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Yesterday the BBC interviewed perennial liberal Noam Chomsky, who amazingly is still alive (age 92, IIRC). He said the coronavirous was only the latest evidence that the radical capitalism of the last 4 decades or so Just Doesn't Work and we need to return to the days when corporations were regulated and billionaires were taxed.

 

To get an opinion from a very different source, today the BBC interviewed the editor of the business magazine Forbes. Who then said almost the same thing as Noam Chomsky: Milton Friedmanish, only stockholders matter free market absolutism does not work and must be changed. Corporations also need to operate for the benefit of workers, communities and society as a whole. The editor claimed that many of the billionaires he's interviewed say the same thing, though few are as yet willing to say it in public.

 

Okay, so talk is cheap. But I was surprised even to hear such talk from one of the cheerleaders of big business and big money.

 

Dean Shomshak

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Yesterday the BBC interviewed perennial liberal Noam Chomsky, who amazingly is still alive (age 92, IIRC). He said the coronavirous was only the latest evidence that the radical capitalism of the last 4 decades or so Just Doesn't Work and we need to return to the days when corporations were regulated and billionaires were taxed.

 

To get an opinion from a very different source, today the BBC interviewed the editor of the business magazine Forbes. Who then said almost the same thing as Noam Chomsky: Milton Friedmanish, only stockholders matter free market absolutism does not work and must be changed. Corporations also need to operate for the benefit of workers, communities and society as a whole. The editor claimed that many of the billionaires he's interviewed say the same thing, though few are as yet willing to say it in public.

 

Okay, so talk is cheap. But I was surprised even to hear such talk from one of the cheerleaders of big business and big money.

 

Dean Shomshak

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4 hours ago, DShomshak said:

Yesterday the BBC interviewed perennial liberal Noam Chomsky, who amazingly is still alive (age 92, IIRC). He said the coronavirous was only the latest evidence that the radical capitalism of the last 4 decades or so Just Doesn't Work and we need to return to the days when corporations were regulated and billionaires were taxed.

 

To get an opinion from a very different source, today the BBC interviewed the editor of the business magazine Forbes. Who then said almost the same thing as Noam Chomsky: Milton Friedmanish, only stockholders matter free market absolutism does not work and must be changed. Corporations also need to operate for the benefit of workers, communities and society as a whole. The editor claimed that many of the billionaires he's interviewed say the same thing, though few are as yet willing to say it in public.

 

Okay, so talk is cheap. But I was surprised even to hear such talk from one of the cheerleaders of big business and big money.

 

Dean Shomshak

Forbes said that Trump's commerce secretary had lied about how much money he made to get on their billionaire list. It's no surprise they would say that big business only acts to secure a profit for the board and not for anyone else

 

CES

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3 hours ago, Lord Liaden said:

There was a time when religious, philosophic, and pragmatic ethics was a required component of most economics curricula.

 

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I knew a guy who tried to say that trickle down worked if there was a certain amount of growth. I was like you're an idiot. Don't you read the paper you deliver?

CES

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My favorite interpretation of trickle-down economics was articulated on Jim Henson's satirical sitcom, Dinosaurs. Most rich people live in big houses on the tops of hills. If we give the rich more money, some of it is bound to fall out of their pockets and trickle down the hills to where the poor people live. :rolleyes:

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