Dr. MID-Nite Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Hermit said: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/08/bernie-sanders-suspends-his-presidential-campaign-175137 Bernie has dropped out. I am very depressed. I think it was the right move, but I'm still bummed about it. So much for any chance of real social change in my lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 So much for sending my kids to college without crushing debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 5 hours ago, Ragitsu said: Speaking of which, Andrew Yang promoted universal basic income. It seems as though that program (or something akin to it) will also enjoy greater popularity. Yup. I had my doubts about how it would work if folks might just jack up the prices, but was intrigued. Now, after this? I'm sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. MID-Nite Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 I'm not so concerned with universal income, but decent health care would be a plus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 6 hours ago, Dr. MID-Nite said: I'm not so concerned with universal income The increasing efficiency of automation is going to force society to reevaluate the issue...eventually. pinecone and Matt the Bruins 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 The loss of traditional blue-collar jobs in the United States, and elsewhere in the world, has much more to do with automation than foreign countries and immigrants. But Trump always understood that it's much easier to focus people's anger and fear on other people than on machines. Ragitsu, Joe Walsh and pinecone 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 6 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: The loss of traditional blue-collar jobs in the United States, and elsewhere in the world, has much more to do with automation than foreign countries and immigrants. But Trump always understood that it's much easier to focus people's anger and fear on other people than on machines. Well, that and machines equals Rich People, and imigration equals Poor People.... TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 And diverting attention and blame away from machines allows Trump's rich cronies to continue to automate and maximize their profits. Before a few years ago, I would have called that sentence too cynical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lord Liaden Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 Hang in there, America. You may still join the rest of us in another election. Maybe two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, Lord Liaden said: Hang in there, America. You may still join the rest of us in another election. Maybe two. I think many of us feel that the damage done to our Court systems, Political bodies, and country period is going to take decades to fix now. I hope it's just one or two elections as you suggest might be, but it's hard to be optimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted April 9, 2020 Report Share Posted April 9, 2020 33% of US voters have lost their job, been furloughed/put on leave, or had hours or pay reduced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 5 hours ago, Hermit said: I think many of us feel that the damage done to our Court systems, Political bodies, and country period is going to take decades to fix now. I hope it's just one or two elections as you suggest might be, but it's hard to be optimistic. Trump putting ultra-conservatives in a higher court would be devastating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 I've had an increase in hours, until this week (think they might be letting me rest). Cant turn down the extra money, at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ragitsu said: Trump putting ultra-conservatives in a higher court would be devastating. I'm kind of mixed, given my political bent. In some ways yes, in other ways, I feel that level on the liberal side would be devastating too. I'm not getting a win, regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 In any case, with Bernie out, I feel.... In Joe Biden, the DNC got the candidate they deserve. (actual Dem voters, maybe not so much) Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Badger said: I'm kind of mixed, given my political bent. In some ways yes, in other ways, I feel that level on the liberal side would be devastating too. I'm not getting a win, regardless. If they're on the level of repealing Roe v. Wade, it's bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 15 minutes ago, Ragitsu said: Trump putting ultra-conservatives in a higher court would be devastating. I'm less concerned about their politics than their character. No more entitled frat boy suckups, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 20 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: I'm less concerned about their politics than their character. No more entitled frat boy suckups, please. Comporting one's self with "proper decorum" while shredding hard-fought civil liberties is perfectly possible. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 27 minutes ago, Ragitsu said: If they're on the level of repealing Roe v. Wade, it's bad. Yeah, not saying it isn't, just saying for me there are several issues on both sides that other side would like to screw over. Eventually, I am going to get very disappointed no matter what happens. (assuming a moderate can get in, which both sides agree they don't want) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Badger said: (assuming a moderate can get in, which both sides agree they don't want) Problem is, in the United States (of America 😇), the Overton Window has shifted far to the right; what is deemed "insanely far left" here by some is actually reasonable day-to-day policy in other countries. Universal healthcare is a prime example of what I have in mind: "communism", apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Ragitsu said: Comporting one's self with "proper decorum" while shredding hard-fought civil liberties is perfectly possible. I agree; but decorum isn't character. Some of history's greatest villains had social grace and charm to burn. But it's just a mask they wore to cover what they really were. That's why Congressional vetting for Supreme Court justices is such an important step. It's supposed to place candidates under close scrutiny, to test if they have the moral fiber to make respect for the law and its intent the primary factor in their deliberations. Overt politicization has made that process deeply suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. MID-Nite Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 8 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: Hang in there, America. You may still join the rest of us in another election. Maybe two. Nothing will change in my lifetime without violence now. The Power Elite are too entrenched to remove by any other means now. This much is clear. I'd love to be proven wrong....I really would....but I'm not counting on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 4 hours ago, Ragitsu said: Trump putting ultra-conservatives in a higher court would be devastating. You mean like he's already done? Multiple times? Ragitsu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Old Man said: You mean like he's already done? Multiple times? ...can't believe I forgot about Neil Gorsuch (AKA "Baby Scalia"). Consider my face presently "sunny-side up" 😟. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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