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14 minutes ago, DShomshak said:

So no, Biden is not "who we were given" as the anointed candidate of the Democratic Establishment. (At least not until the primariesbegan, and the party leaders realized that splitting the moderate vote 4 ways would hand the nomination to Sanders -- just like splitting the Not Utter Flaming Lunatic vote 10+ ways handed the Republican nomination to Trump.) Frankly, I wish the big donors and party bigwigs *had* decided early on a slate of 5-6 candidates who'd be backed, for voters to decide among. Preferably governors who had actual experience, you know, governing.

 

True, that memetic BS affects me too.  The whole Dem nomination events were a mess.

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I feel this needs to be shared.  

The legend lives on from the Apprentice on down of the big oompaloompa called Donnie The Donnie, it is said, always has some bed head and he's friends with a loon named Giulani Wit

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16 hours ago, Hermit said:

Damn STRAIGHT! S.O.B must go down into the ashes of the trash heap of history!

 

Last time I checked, The Economist -- not exactly a flaming Leftie publication -- agreed with you. Since his nomination, they've warned that Trump, and Trumpism, pose systemic risk to political stability, economic prosperity, and common decency.

 

Dean Shomshak

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I did my civic duty and completed my primary ballot today.

 

I may not be able to do anything about the presidency, since I live in one of the reddest of the red States. But I can certainly help figure out who my County Council and State School Board reps are going to be.

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In my more optimistic moments I hope that all the sound and fury and gnashing of teeth from white nationalists and right extremists, the deceit and manipulation from the old male corporate overlords and their political lapdogs, are just the death throes of an order which recognizes its time is past, but refuses to accept it.

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NASCAR knew they were going to lose some disgruntled fans. But they believe many more people will approve. And most of the objectors will come back once their offense has faded.

 

I'll just note without comment that the first of those plaintiffs above is cancelling the subscription for himself, his wife, and her boyfriend.

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Well, I do have some slight conflicting of feelings because I do have several ancestors who died Confederate  soldiers. Including a great great grandfather who left behind when he left to fight and die at 2nd  Bull run  6 children and a pregnant wife. In family research  most of my relatives were poor farmers at that time living season to season who never had nor likely would ever have a slave. And I wonder if they ever gave the issue much thought.  It does sometimes seem callous  and cruel how we have spat on their memories. The flag celebration is obviously misguided. But it seems their should be a way to properly acknowledge their lives both the good and bad.

 

 

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That is fair. But if you look at history, the Confederate flag languished in obscurity for almost a century after the war. It started to once again be prominently displayed and used as a symbol during the modern era as part of protests against desegregation of schools in the southern US in the early 1960s. And what it was a symbol of had nothing to do with culture or war memorials.

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Speaking of listening to academics who both argue sense and have the experience and education to back it up.

 

https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/potential-fraud-why-mail-elections-should-be-dead-letter

 

Yet when you go to wikipeida he is labeled "alarmist" a vague yet threatening term that will create an emotional response rather than a rational one. There are off course nothing to back that accusation up except for some referrals to news sites and on those news sites gives nothing substantial. 

Off course there are a threat of unprecedented voter fraud if it goes all by mail. It is impossible to secure in any meaningful way. You would have every voter escort their letter to where its counted and then you could just show up to vote anyway

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2 hours ago, Pattern Ghost said:

Washington state has been mail in for everything for a while now, and it's been working out OK.

 

It used to be common for the Republican Party to send out applications for mail-in or absentee ballots for their party members, usually with the message of "make sure your vote counts." With statements from the Republicans and The Heritage Foundation (in the previous post), it appears that they are afraid that the Democrats also got the message.

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21 hours ago, pinecone said:

I've always thought that perhaps the way we choose our leaders should be a national draft.....anybody who wants to be in power is too suspect in my eyes....

 

I read that, some years back, this guy in England was proposing replacing the House of Lords with just that. (he'd leave the house of commons alone though, and Lords doesn't have nearly as much power)

 

https://www.democraticaudit.com/2017/08/30/called-up-for-parliamentary-service-why-we-should-replace-the-lords-with-a-house-of-citizens/

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6 hours ago, Trencher said:

Speaking of listening to academics who both argue sense and have the experience and education to back it up.

 

https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/potential-fraud-why-mail-elections-should-be-dead-letter

 

Yet when you go to wikipeida he is labeled "alarmist" a vague yet threatening term that will create an emotional response rather than a rational one. There are off course nothing to back that accusation up except for some referrals to news sites and on those news sites gives nothing substantial. 

Off course there are a threat of unprecedented voter fraud if it goes all by mail. It is impossible to secure in any meaningful way. You would have every voter escort their letter to where its counted and then you could just show up to vote anyway

 

I'll listen to these arguments when the the leader of the anti vote by mail, the POTUS himself, stops voting by mail.

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All Things Considered had a report on the fiasco of Georgia's vote-in-person primary this week. As one long-time observer of Georgia's elections noted, you really have to work to botch an election this badly: voting machines sent to wrong addresses, voting machines not working, untrained poll workers, grossly insufficient numbers of provisional ballots, etc.  Election officials insist there were no problems in most of Georgia's precincts... It appears the problems were all in the black majority precincts. Funny, that.

 

I'll take vote by mail, thank you. Though if a government is really determined not to let certain people vote, it'll find a way.

 

Dean Shomshak

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