archer Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/519914-biden-we-shouldnt-have-a-debate-if-trump-still-has-covid-19 Biden says no debate if Trump still has COVID. Good move, in my opinion. Why should I trust that an infected Trump wouldn't chase Biden around the stage in an effort to deliberately infect him? Trump has already shown that he has no shame and that he doesn't mind deliberately infecting the people around him who he supposedly likes. Honestly what would stop him from trying to deliberately infect Biden? Are we supposed to believe the debate would have bouncers who would physically control Trump? https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/06/miami-mayor-trump-dont-come-covid-426817 Mayor of Miami, the host city for the debate, tells Trump he shouldn't come if he is still infected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcw43921 Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 Trump has changed his mind. Remember when the Republicans criticized John Kerry for "flip-flopping?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, wcw43921 said: Trump has changed his mind. Remember when the Republicans criticized John Kerry for "flip-flopping?" Remember when the Republicans were a political party rather than a personality cult? BarretWallace, Pariah, Matt the Bruins and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, wcw43921 said: Trump has changed his mind. Remember when the Republicans criticized John Kerry for "flip-flopping?" Oh, I see his handlers finally got to him. wcw43921 and TrickstaPriest 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 10 hours ago, Cygnia said: Trump's adviser Stephen Miller has COVID-19. OMG, it's jumped species! Ternaugh, Matt the Bruins, Ragitsu and 3 others 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 DShomshak, Hermit, Tom Cowan and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 13 hours ago, unclevlad said: The Fed chairman calls for a stimulus package. Trump is trying to slam the door on any package before the election. He's "promising" a package after the election. Specifically, his tweet says, "after I win." Just Trump's usual power-of-positive-thinking bluster, or am I the only one who reads that as a ransom note: If he doesn't win, there will be no stimulus? (Oh, yes: The weekend's All Things Considered and On the Media talked about how Fred Trump was a huge believer in Norman Vincent Peale's Power of Positive Thinking, and passed this to Donald. If you are confident that you will succeed, you will succeed. And for Fred Trump, getting sick was a sign of weak will. It raises the possibility that Donald Trump genuinely believed that if he just kept up the happy talk and had everyone believing Covid-19 would go away, it really would. Because magic. I am not sure which thought frightens me more: That his denials were cynically done to protect business interests, or that he's sunk that deep in magical thinking. Though I suppose both are possible.) Dean Shomshak Matt the Bruins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, DShomshak said: Specifically, his tweet says, "after I win." Just Trump's usual power-of-positive-thinking bluster, or am I the only one who reads that as a ransom note: If he doesn't win, there will be no stimulus? (Oh, yes: The weekend's All Things Considered and On the Media talked about how Fred Trump was a huge believer in Norman Vincent Peale's Power of Positive Thinking, and passed this to Donald. If you are confident that you will succeed, you will succeed. And for Fred Trump, getting sick was a sign of weak will. It raises the possibility that Donald Trump genuinely believed that if he just kept up the happy talk and had everyone believing Covid-19 would go away, it really would. Because magic. I am not sure which thought frightens me more: That his denials were cynically done to protect business interests, or that he's sunk that deep in magical thinking. Though I suppose both are possible.) Dean Shomshak I would agree that in this case and every case with Trump it is all just bluster, but I would disagree that positive outlook and attitude is 'magical' and can't help you overcome illness or poor health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 Well, stress and despair have well established negative effects on personal health, so a positive outlook isn't useless... for individuals, in some cases. But believing that you won't get sick if you believe you won't is magical thinking -- and terribly dangerous if you try to apply it as a public health policy. Dean Shomshak Matt the Bruins, TrickstaPriest and Ragitsu 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 48 minutes ago, DShomshak said: Well, stress and despair have well established negative effects on personal health, so a positive outlook isn't useless... for individuals, in some cases. But believing that you won't get sick if you believe you won't is magical thinking -- and terribly dangerous if you try to apply it as a public health policy. From a 'government messaging' perspective it's kind of similar to Fukushima and the "just smile" thing. But furthermore in this country especially there's religious 'healing' and doctrine that pushes that perspective as well. It's not commonplace, but it generates a lot of money and political power, and is part of the current government's funding and influence base - hell, it's probably a big part of why the current government has such a strong (or devout) political following. So as a public health policy coming from the government it's doubly suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 Trump's next tweet topic: USPS worker in NJ arrested for dumping mail, including campaign flyers and ballots. The ballots had not yet been delivered to the voters. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/usps-worker-in-nj-arrested-for-allegedly-dumping-mail-including-election-ballots/2656666/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 Giuliani, after coughing repeatedly during a Fox News interview where he was making fun of Biden for promoting masks, claimed to be taking hydroxychloriquine in order to prevent himself from getting COVID-19. Giuliani claims he has tested negative so far. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/520060-giuliani-says-hes-taking-hydroxychloroquine-despite-testing-negative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, archer said: Trump's next tweet topic: USPS worker in NJ arrested for dumping mail, including campaign flyers and ballots. The ballots had not yet been delivered to the voters. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/usps-worker-in-nj-arrested-for-allegedly-dumping-mail-including-election-ballots/2656666/ Case sounds rather cut and dried. Idiot deserves a nice felony record and a pleasant stay at government expense. And the fine should pretty much wipe him out. No, I'm not in the mood to be charitable; it's less about the ballots as it is the whole collection. I have an IRA that I make one withdrawal from each year (because I have to call them to request it...don't want to do that monthly)...and their only option is to mail a check. It's...a significant amount. And, yes, it has been SERIOUSLY delayed...to the point where I called them back, had the first check cancelled, and they sent a new check. But you can imagine, I was rather less than amused when it hadn't arrived after a week to ten days. So someone from USPS doing this...I wish they could charge him with more. Matt the Bruins, TrickstaPriest and Old Man 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 “He’s literally saved Christianity,” Eric Trump told “What’s on Your Mind” host Scott Hennen. “I mean, there’s a full out war on faith in this country by the other side.” https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/520090-eric-trump-claims-his-father-literally-saved-christianity Who knew? After Trump wins his next four years in office, do you think Eric will be in line for the next eight in the dynasty or will Ivanka get her turn first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 What Trump has done to Christianity? He owes the Beatitudes a box of chocolates and a set of roses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 I'm trying to think of what war is being waged on Christianity, who the "other side" is, and what Donald Trump has done or possibly could do to "save" it. I'm coming up blank so far. If Eric means Democrats, an awful lot of them and their voters identify as Christians, so that seems unlikely. Donald Trump hasn't done anything legislatively to bolster Christianity, and certainly not by his Christian conduct. And it's possible the "war" might just be a refusal by many people to kowtow to those who pay lip service to that religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 Hermit, aylwin13, Ternaugh and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: I'm trying to think of what war is being waged on Christianity, who the "other side" is, and what Donald Trump has done or possibly could do to "save" it. I'm coming up blank so far. If Eric means Democrats, an awful lot of them and their voters identify as Christians, so that seems unlikely. Donald Trump hasn't done anything legislatively to bolster Christianity, and certainly not by his Christian conduct. And it's possible the "war" might just be a refusal by many people to kowtow to those who pay lip service to that religion. I'm hardly an expert, but my understanding is that gay marriage, legal abortion, and preventing creationism from being taught in publicly funded schools is the same as "war". It takes a special kind of snowflake to be wounded by all that, but America does not seem to lack for snowflakes with fragile fee-fees. TrickstaPriest, Pariah, Lee and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 16 hours ago, wcw43921 said: Trump has changed his mind. Remember when the Republicans criticized John Kerry for "flip-flopping?" Trump doesn't flip-flop, he executes a drunkard's walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted October 7, 2020 Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, Old Man said: I'm hardly an expert, but my understanding is that gay marriage, legal abortion, and preventing creationism from being taught in publicly funded schools is the same as "war". It takes a special kind of snowflake to be wounded by all that, but America does not seem to lack for snowflakes with fragile fee-fees. I've talked myself blue in the face trying to explain to people, in real life and online, that pointing out where evolution doesn't show you every answer to every last question at this point in time IS NOT proof that God created the universe. I've resorted to repeating their arguments back to them then saying "I knew it! Fairies are responsible for everything!" Sometimes I just get blank looks then I have to explain my fairies comment. But sometimes I get a flicker of recognition from them that even if they disprove evolution completely (good luck), they haven't taken a single step forward toward proving that God created the universe. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 27 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: Don't cry for the Secret Service! I hate them but I don't know them! Don't keep my promise. Don't keep you distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 They don't have to. It's about faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, archer said: I've talked myself blue in the face trying to explain to people, in real life and online, that pointing out where evolution doesn't show you every answer to every last question at this point in time IS NOT proof that God created the universe. I've resorted to repeating their arguments back to them then saying "I knew it! Fairies are responsible for everything!" Sometimes I just get blank looks then I have to explain my fairies comment. But sometimes I get a flicker of recognition from them that even if they disprove evolution completely (good luck), they haven't taken a single step forward toward proving that God created the universe. Space aliens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raëlism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 Pre-debate coverage. No social distancing inside the debate site. A number of people on camera not wearing masks or wearing the mask but not covering the nose while standing face-to-face with others. No sign of people being escorted from the debate hall for not complying with the mask rules, as was promised would happen. The Biden campaign plan is that directly after the debate, Harris is going to join Biden for them to campaign together. I'd scrap that plan based on what I'm seeing of COVID spread inside the debate site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 Pence is so full of crap he's drawing flies now? Pariah, Thia Halmades, Old Man and 1 other 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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