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16 minutes ago, Hermit said:

 

I never saw it as busting chops . It can be.. vexing, of course, to feel like I'm right and why can't people see that ;) but then there are nights, horrible horrible nights, when I look into my heart of hearts, and have the sudden irrational fear that I may not know everything after all.

 

Terrifying!

 

 

I could lie and say I know how you feel but I prefer to make my lies at least barely plausible...

 

 

Just try to avoid sinking down here....the Jules version, NOT the Darko version, I might add...

 

All around me are familiar faces
Worn out places, worn out faces
Bright and early for their daily races
Going nowhere, going nowhere
Their tears are filling up their glasses
No expression, no expression
Hide my head I want to drown my sorrow
No tomorrow, no tomorrow
And I find it kinda funny
I find it kinda sad
The dreams in which I'm dying
Are the best I've ever had
I find it hard to tell you
I find it hard to take
When people run in circles
It's a very, very mad world, mad world

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The legend lives on from the Apprentice on down of the big oompaloompa called Donnie The Donnie, it is said, always has some bed head and he's friends with a loon named Giulani Wit

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6 hours ago, Hermit said:

 

I never saw it as busting chops . It can be.. vexing, of course, to feel like I'm right and why can't people see that ;) but then there are nights, horrible horrible nights, when I look into my heart of hearts, and have the sudden irrational fear that I may not know everything after all.

 

Terrifying!

 

 

I never have this problem

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9 hours ago, TrickstaPriest said:

 

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Part of the story is a quote from the Houston Chronicle where they are like Texas has a bunch of blowhards in public office talking like they chewed too  much peyote, but Ted Cruz knows better. If the next line in the quote was he needs to go back to Canada, I would have laughed like a hyena

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PSA: You may have noticed over the past few days that many right wing leaders have been kicked off social media, and Parler was kicked off Android, Apple, and Amazon.  The reason for this is not because of what happened last Wednesday, but because right wing operatives are planning additional violence on the 17th, 19th, and 20th.  Some states (e.g. Washington) have already suffered similar mob attacks on state government facilities and are requesting assistance from the National Guard to secure them.

 

Readers may want to factor this into their travel plans.  Or if you're a literal Nazi, better head on over to Parler, wouldn't want you to miss out on the fun.

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12 hours ago, Hermit said:

 

What gets me is that if policies like Universal Healthcare , affordable college and the like ARE socialist, and socialist can never be democratic...

well, NATO's got a LOT of Commie tyrannies! Le Gasp. In fact, I think we lost most of Europe!

 

The challenge here is addressing the misperception that "socialism" (or even communism) is incompatible with "democracy".  Perhaps it is time to rename the terms.  Socialism is tainted.  So find a new name for policies like universal health care and affordable education.

 

We live in a buzzword-based society.  The term "socialism" has been buzzworded away from what it actually means.  So create a new term.  Reframe the debate.  "Universalism" - everybody should be equal and have access to health care and affordable education.  "Elitism" - only the Wealthy 1% are entitled to health care and education - the rest should just toil away in illness and ignorance to enrich them.  Wow, who can argue in favour of elitism?

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51 minutes ago, Hugh Neilson said:

Socialism is tainted.  So find a new name

 

We live in a buzzword-based society.  The term "socialism" has been buzzworded away from what it actually means.  So create a new term.  Reframe the debate.

 

This is something we should address. If every honest debate runs the risk of being demonized/unfairly characterized because the at least initially opposing participant is strongly ignorant and/or gullible (and likely already manipulated by someone higher up the economic ladder with a vested interest in maintaining a preexisting social disparity), then I consider that a poor state of affairs. We will not grow as a species so long as snap-judgements are seen as perfectly acceptable substitutes for rational thinking in relaxed settings.

 

Also, humility is a virtue that has been sorely neglected. "I don't know.", " I will have to look into that." and "I'd like to revisit this discussion later." should not be intrinsically linked to weakness.

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13 hours ago, unclevlad said:

Just try to avoid sinking down here....the Jules version, NOT the Darko version, I might add...

 

All around me are familiar faces
Worn out places, worn out faces
Bright and early for their daily races
Going nowhere, going nowhere
Their tears are filling up their glasses
No expression, no expression
Hide my head I want to drown my sorrow
No tomorrow, no tomorrow
And I find it kinda funny
I find it kinda sad
The dreams in which I'm dying
Are the best I've ever had
I find it hard to tell you
I find it hard to take
When people run in circles
It's a very, very mad world, mad world

The Jules version is the Donnie Darko version.

 

The original is by Tears for Fears and is one of my favourite songs ever.

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Yesterday, All Things Considered talked to an actual Capitol Police officer and asked why there was not more attempt to arrest the Capitol invaders. The officer replied that their first duty is to protect the members of Congress. So, they tried to get the people who threatened Congress out of the Capotol as quickly as possible. Trying to make arrests would have been slower, and increased the danger.

 

Okay, that's fair. And given that so many of the people involved left social media trails a mile wide, possibly not a serious impediment to eventual arrest and prosecution.

 

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Hey look, literally what I've been ranting about.

 

At a second look, this is from the rally, not the protest/riot/insurrection.  My line below still stands, even if we don't have direct video of it

 

He said they were going to all 'walk down to the Capitol and fight to take their country back' and then he promptly ****ed off and went to watch it on the telly.

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Just found this
 

 

On 1/8/2021 at 1:01 PM, TrickstaPriest said:

 

DJT sent them at armed guards at Capitol Hill, either anticipating there wouldn't be sufficient protection for congress (!) or expecting there was, meaning he was expecting his supporters might get shot at.

 

Which puts it into perspective when he said, or started to say "I'll be there with you!" and then never showed up

 

I WONDER WHY

 

Giving myself another pat on the back

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5 hours ago, Hugh Neilson said:

 

The challenge here is addressing the misperception that "socialism" (or even communism) is incompatible with "democracy".  Perhaps it is time to rename the terms.  Socialism is tainted.  So find a new name for policies like universal health care and affordable education.

 

We live in a buzzword-based society.  The term "socialism" has been buzzworded away from what it actually means.  So create a new term.  Reframe the debate.  "Universalism" - everybody should be equal and have access to health care and affordable education.  "Elitism" - only the Wealthy 1% are entitled to health care and education - the rest should just toil away in illness and ignorance to enrich them.  Wow, who can argue in favour of elitism?

 

"Conservative", in the context of American politics, has also been buzzworded away from what it used to mean.

 

In the 2016 Republican primary debates, Trump was asked what "conservative" meant because he was claiming to be conservative while his policy proposals were outside the mainstream of American political conservative thought. (And his politics aligned with the Alt-Right which was explicitly formed to be an alternative to the American political right.)

 

 The media and the public at large made fun of Trump in two different debates because he couldn't even give an answer to what "conservative" meant. In one of those debates, I think the later one, the answer he gave (if it had been true) would have classified Hillary Clinton as being a conservative.

 

Trump was openly mocked, at length, over this.

 

But now he's the poster boy for everything conservative even though none of his political positions have changed.

 

 

I don't think one word political labels are helpful.

 

1) Most people don't know what the one word label means.

 

2) The people who "do have enough knowledge to know what those labels are supposed to mean" aren't honest and/or consistent enough to use the labels properly each and every time they use the label.

 

3) There's always some politician who is going to grab the label for his own. Trump wasn't the first one to do this.

 

In the 1996 presidential election, Bob Dole re-labeled himself as being a "conservative" even though he was infamous in Washington for how much he detested conservatives. But because of Reagan, you needed to call yourself a "conservative" in order to be successful in Republican presidential politics so Dole re-labelled himself.

 

George W. Bush won the governorship in Texas by pointing out that he wasn't a conservative but was rather a moderate who could reach across party lines to work with Democrats in the state legislature because he didn't have an ideological bone in his body. And he governed that way. When he ran for president, he told a different story. 

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According to CNBC, Amazon has decided to suspend providing cloud services to Parler because their unchecked calls for violence constitute a violation of Amazon's terms of service.

 

Finding an alternative will NOT!!! be easy.  There are very few companies that offer large-scale cloud services, and spinning up to offer that level of capability on private systems is neither easy nor cheap.

 

2 hours ago, DShomshak said:

Yesterday, All Things Considered talked to an actual Capitol Police officer and asked why there was not more attempt to arrest the Capitol invaders. The officer replied that their first duty is to protect the members of Congress. So, they tried to get the people who threatened Congress out of the Capotol as quickly as possible. Trying to make arrests would have been slower, and increased the danger.

 

Okay, that's fair. And given that so many of the people involved left social media trails a mile wide, possibly not a serious impediment to eventual arrest and prosecution.

 

Dean Shomshak

 

This was my take even on Wednesday.  The problem wasn't in how the officers on the ground generally behaved or their choice of response, it was a planning failure.

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1 hour ago, unclevlad said:

This was my take even on Wednesday.  The problem wasn't in how the officers on the ground generally behaved or their choice of response, it was a planning failure.

Exactly.  I don't blame the officers that were there... except for the ones breaching it

 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/benking/capitol-dc-riot-trump

 

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While some of the images from that day appeared to show officers standing by to let the mob into the Capitol building, the veteran officer said that they had fought them off for two hours before the attackers eventually gained access. The officer said that many of the widely spread images of smiling marauders, wandering the halls dressed in absurd costumes, had the effect of downplaying how well prepared some of the rioters were to overtake the building, and even to capture and kill Congress members.

“That was a heavily trained group of militia terrorists that attacked us,” said the officer, who has been with the department for more than a decade. “They had radios, we found them, they had two-way communicators and earpieces. They had bear spray. They had flash bangs ... They were prepared. They strategically put two IEDs, pipe bombs, in two different locations. These guys were military trained. A lot of them were former military,” the officer said, referring to two suspected pipe bombs that were found outside the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee and the Republican National Committee.

The officer even described coming face-to-face with police officers from across the country in the mob. He said some of them flashed their badges, telling him to let them through, and trying to explain that this was all part of a movement that was supposed to help.

“You have the nerve to be holding a Blue Lives Matter flag, and you are out there fucking us up,” he told one group of protesters he encountered inside the Capitol. “[One guy] pulled out his badge and he said, ‘We’re doing this for you.’ Another guy had his badge. So I was like, ‘Well, you gotta be kidding.’”

Another officer, a newer recruit, echoed these sentiments, saying that where he was on the steps to the Rotunda on the east side of the Capitol, he was engaged in hand-to-hand battles trying to fight the attackers off. But he said they were outnumbered 10 to 1, and described extraordinary scenes in which protesters holding Blue Lives Matter flags launched themselves at police officers.

“We were telling them to back up and get away and stop, and they’re telling us they are on our side, and they’re doing this for us, and they’re saying this as I’m getting punched in my face by one of them … That happened to a lot of us. We were getting pepper-sprayed in the face by those protesters — I'm not going to even call them protesters — by those domestic terrorists,” said the officer.

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2 hours ago, Iuz the Evil said:

That’s fantastic, I love the sentiment he closes with and the personal story (and the fact he actually brandishes the sword from Conan). I didn’t care for him as our governor, but that’s good stuff right there.

 

I disagree with his assertion that DT is the worst President; the honor goes to George Bush Jr.

 

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https://www.motherjones.com/2020-elections/2021/01/trump-enablers-shallow-morality-gaslighting/

 

The only way to heal is to first draw the poison out of the blood.

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51 minutes ago, Ragitsu said:

 

I disagree with his assertion that DT is the worst President; the honor goes to George Bush Jr.

 

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https://www.motherjones.com/2020-elections/2021/01/trump-enablers-shallow-morality-gaslighting/

 

The only way to heal is to first draw the poison out of the blood.


Defend your assertion - I'd like to know how Jr was worse than Trump, in your view.

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Worth a read if you can get to it...at least it made me feel somewhat better...

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/10/us/politics/capitol-arrests.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

 

Notes the charges in several cases.  Mostly I think it's arrests we knew but there's some new stuff:

 

--The WVa representative who was arrested has resigned his seat.  

--You might've seen the Capitol officer backing up the stairs;  the individual threatening him has been arrested.

--a QAnon guy who sent a text threatening to execute the Speaker on live TV.  And yes, he had several guns.

 

 

Side note:  Trump refused to order the flags to be flown at half-staff for the officer killed Wednesday until today.  Such a classy guy to come through in the clutch....

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1 hour ago, Ragitsu said:

 

I disagree with his assertion that DT is the worst President; the honor goes to George Bush Jr.

 

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https://www.motherjones.com/2020-elections/2021/01/trump-enablers-shallow-morality-gaslighting/

 

The only way to heal is to first draw the poison out of the blood.

I have to disagree, Rag. Trump is objectively the worst president. He is worse than Bush Jr, Coolidge, Jackson, Buchanan, and Taft. He has gutted the executive branch in a way that has never been done before in my opinion. He has engaged in graft, malfeasance, corruption, human indecency in such a way that it is likely that he will be facing charges once he is out of office unless he can pardon himself for all the crimes he has committed.

 

I mean Bush Jr still has a charitable foundation helping people. That's something Trump doesn't have since he can't even run a charity.

 

Donald Trump is an example of a human being that is the worst at everything he ever did and the only reason he is considered successful is the fact that his dad propped him up and he stole the rest of his family's inheritance to keep his shoddy businesses going and half of them had to change their names so they didn't have to deal with the image problem he presented with his government style if you can call it that.

 

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12 minutes ago, csyphrett said:

I mean Bush Jr still has a charitable foundation helping people. That's something Trump doesn't have since he can't even run a charity.

 

He also paints and makes the occasional appearance on Ellen. Is it en vogue to blank out the second Iraq War, the Afghanistan War, the Guantanamo Bay detention facility, the Patriot Act and the hideously protracted aftermath of all his bad decisions because of Trump's more recent evil?

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