Chris Goodwin 1,735 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 1 minute ago, Pariah said: Perhaps this conversation could be moved to private messages before Simon bans someone...? There is no equivalency between the Black Lives Matter movement and a bunch of "patriots" rushing into the Capitol building threatening to kill members of Congress and the executive branch. Anyone who feels that there is, I want them to publicly say so and stand behind their words. Twilight, pinecone, Dr.Device and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simon 1,050 Posted January 11 Author Report Share Posted January 11 JMOz will no longer be part of this conversation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TrickstaPriest 302 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 45 minutes ago, JmOz said: Nice personal Assualt. I will not engage further with you on this issue. I won't fault you for being upset. I'll leave off here. Oops. Too late. But understandable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pariah 8,391 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 I hope it will be with a whimper, and not a bang (figurative or literal): Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csyphrett 998 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 18 hours ago, Hermit said: THe house is voting to impeach tomorrow. They wanted to invoke the 25th but it looks like Impeachment is going to be faster CES Quote Link to post Share on other sites
archer 2,068 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 Cumulus Media, which employs some of the most popular right-leaning talk-radio hosts in the United States, has told its on-air personalities to stop suggesting that the election was stolen from President Donald Trump - or else face termination. "will not tolerate any suggestion that the election has not ended. The election has been resolved and there are no alternate acceptable 'paths'... The memo adds: "If you transgress this policy, you can expect to separate from the company immediately." The biggest talk radio personalities this applies to includes Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro and Dan Bongino. And from what I can tell, the order isn't just "quit talking about it on your radio show". So the ones like Mark Levin who also has a Fox News TV show with guests could potentially be dropped if he lets his guests ramble on about election fraud and such. https://www.thetelegraph.com/news/article/Talk-radio-owner-orders-conservative-hosts-to-15860720.php Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Cygnia 14,743 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 PA state Sen. Doug Mastriano called effort to overturn election a “death match with the Democrat Party” shortly before heading to insurrection attempt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hermit 6,257 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 Folks, a reminder- Discuss the topic, not the poster. Old Man, Lord Liaden and archer 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ragitsu 1,684 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 Felony Murder refers specifically to the fact that any deaths that occur during the commission of a felony by a conspiracy are applicable to all members of the conspiracy and not just the ones who were directly involved in the death. For example: during the commission of a bank robbery, a security guard is shot and killed. Every member of that crew is charged with Felony Murder...even the getaway driver who sat in the van out front the entire time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cygnia 14,743 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 2 Capitol Police officers suspended and 10-15 more under investigation for alleged roles in riot pinecone 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TrickstaPriest 302 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 https://leasticoulddo.com/comic/20210106 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
archer 2,068 Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 Acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf is stepping down from his position effective at the end of the day on Monday. https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/533718-acting-dhs-chief-chad-wolf-stepping-down Guess he gave up on the possibility of using the 25th amendment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
unclevlad 837 Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 On the 25th Amendment, everything I've seen has been "Pence is unwilling to invoke." And my feeling is, if he hasn't done it by now, he won't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BNakagawa 161 Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 I'm not sure an acting cabinet member has a say in that matter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
unclevlad 837 Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 7 minutes ago, BNakagawa said: I'm not sure an acting cabinet member has a say in that matter. It's a point that needs to be considered, along with how Trump abused the entire confirmation process by simply using acting heads. There's no doubt in my mind that a 25th Amendment removal would've been headed to the Supreme Court. A complementary aspect to archer's link to the Cumulus Media story: other big corporations are stopping campaign contributions to those who voted for the election objections. You may have heard this...it started over the weekend, but... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/political-donations-republican-congress-electoral-certification/ The list has *grown*. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Old Man 11,670 Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 20 minutes ago, BNakagawa said: I'm not sure an acting cabinet member has a say in that matter. No one does, it's uncharted territory in constitutional law. What's to stop a corrupt POTUS from packing his cabinet with unconfirmed members? What's to stop a corrupt cabinet from refusing to declare a POTUS incapacitated even if that POTUS is literally dead? What's to stop a mentally ill POTUS from contesting his removal? The 25th Amendment is worse than useless in edge cases. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt the Bruins 542 Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 21 hours ago, archer said: I don't personally have a problem with gun ownership but I have a heck of a problem with people shooting each other...which might sound odd but I'll admit to be odd on occasion. Makes perfect sense to me. I have a number of knives around the house. With the possible exception of my dad's pocket knife, none of them have drawn the blood of any human being but me, and thus I consider them tools rather than weapons. 19 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: How about the Washington National Cathedral? Let's see if the avowed Religious Right is willing to be seen damaging the most symbolic church in America. The Religious Right is pretty much composed of evangelical Protestants whose antipathy for Catholicism is well-publicized. The ones willing to march on Washington at Twitler's behest might not have too much respect for a historic Episcopalian cathedral, assuming they actually distinguish between the two faiths. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pariah 8,391 Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 :facepalm: Citing 'censorship' concerns, North Idaho internet provider blocks Facebook, Twitter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csyphrett 998 Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 5 hours ago, archer said: Acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf is stepping down from his position effective at the end of the day on Monday. https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/533718-acting-dhs-chief-chad-wolf-stepping-down Guess he gave up on the possibility of using the 25th amendment. he wasn't going to be around much longer one way or the other. he had already said Trump was responsible for the riot so he was going to be fired, forced to quit or have to wait until he was replaced by Biden anyway. CES 12 minutes ago, Pariah said: :facepalm: Citing 'censorship' concerns, North Idaho internet provider blocks Facebook, Twitter I wonder how long that will last. You cut off the president, so we're cutting you off. I can totally see the government have a look at this CES Quote Link to post Share on other sites
archer 2,068 Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 9 hours ago, BNakagawa said: I'm not sure an acting cabinet member has a say in that matter. 8 hours ago, unclevlad said: It's a point that needs to be considered, along with how Trump abused the entire confirmation process by simply using acting heads. There's no doubt in my mind that a 25th Amendment removal would've been headed to the Supreme Court. The amendment says cabinet member not "Senate confirmed head of a department". Trump has been using them as cabinet members. Acting heads are listed on the White House's website as being members of the president's cabinet and have been for at least years (and perhaps for decades). Sure Trump would object and ask the Supreme Court to accept the case immediately under original jurisdiction (aka not having to go through a series of lower courts). He'd have to get 4 justices to agree for that to happen. And I don't think that would happen in this political climate. Heck, with riots in the streets, I doubt the Supreme Court would want to be in DC at all, much less be in DC surrounded by a violent mob which intends on physically intimidating them into ignoring all the legal niceties and giving in to whatever the mob wants. Even if the SC agreed to look at the case, they'd have to physically get to Washington and Trump's notoriously inept legal team would have to try to put together legal arguments which would convince 5 justices that Trump's legal team is right. They can't just show up to the Supreme Court completely unprepared and whine "that's not fair". If the Supreme Court was inclined to be that biased in favor of Trump, they would have granted original jurisdiction in the various election cases and have already given him the White House. In any event, back to my point. The constitution sets forth a process and that process says that once the cabinet votes Trump out, Pence is president. And there's an orderly and very time consuming constitutional process that the former president is supposed to use if he wants to attempt to reclaim the office. The Supreme Court wouldn't short-circuit that process. And even if the court was inclined at all to short-circuit that process, it'd likely remove Trump from office for at least 5-7 days even if the court was wildly in favor of intervening and chose to move at breath-taking speed. In my opinion, at this point it's not a matter of keeping Trump from getting back into office as much as it is a matter of removing him from office. The system isn't set up to be able to move fast enough to put Trump back in office before Biden's inauguration...if Trump gets removed in the first place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Cygnia 14,743 Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 pinecone, BarretWallace and wcw43921 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
unclevlad 837 Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 11 hours ago, Pariah said: :facepalm: Citing 'censorship' concerns, North Idaho internet provider blocks Facebook, Twitter Anyone care to give odds on the survival of the provider? Sure, some customers will be outraged by Trump being blocked, but others will be incensed by this action...and if they have a choice, they may well switch providers. And they may be breaking Washington state law. In other news, the latest major snub of The Donald...Bill Belichick declined the Medal of Freedom. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aylwin13 741 Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 2 hours ago, unclevlad said: Anyone care to give odds on the survival of the provider? Sure, some customers will be outraged by Trump being blocked, but others will be incensed by this action...and if they have a choice, they may well switch providers. And they may be breaking Washington state law. In WA maybe, but the folks in northern Idaho, I don't know. I mean... Idaho. I'd say they're the ones who made the original complaints. Quote In other news, the latest major snub of The Donald...Bill Belichick declined the Medal of Freedom. I wasn't sure which way he'd decide on this, but good on Hoodie. Cygnia 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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