unclevlad Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 I don't see Pence pardoning Trump even if he has the chance. And for him to have that power, he'd have to accede to a 25th Amendment invocation, then have it agreed to. That seems unlikely. Alternately, of course, Trump could resign, but I daresay we all think pigs will fly first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 I know if someone sicced a huge armed mob on me that was chanting about hanging me and brought its own gallows, I'd be disinclined to protect them from legal consequences afterward. TrickstaPriest, Pattern Ghost, aylwin13 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 So, forget the 25th Amendment. Pence sent a letter to Pelosi declining to start the action, and criticizing Pelosi for the resolution requesting that he invoke it. I can see his point about the latter; the House has its own mechanism, and that is impeachment. So I suspect we'll have the impeachment pass tomorrow. The question will be, how many Republicans vote in favor. Does anyone who voted to sustain the objections to sitting the electors, reverse their position now? That might be the absolutely worst move, tho, to flip at this stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BNakagawa Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 All Alamos matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 so., when they tell you to remember THE Alamo,they are actually telling to to remember AN alamo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 36 minutes ago, BNakagawa said: All Alamos matter. What about Castle Alamos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Alamo Rent a Car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 7 hours ago, archer said: From what I remember of my Texas history, the immigrants to Texas were invited to move from the US to Texas and were promised protection from Indians and no taxes. A lot of the problems started when the government tried to repossess cannon which had been deployed to discourage Indian attacks. And started imposing taxes. That is so; but Mexico banned further immigration from the United States in 1830, yet American colonists continued to arrive anyway. And the forces at the Alamo included volunteers from the States who had come in support of the revolution. Also, another big point of contention was that Mexico had banned slavery, and thousands of the colonists were slave-owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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csyphrett Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Its starting to come out that some of the new Republicans were tweeting where Nancy Pelosi were as the Service moved her around. There's talk about excluding them from action in the house and senate CES 9 hours ago, BoneDaddy said: If he’s impeached, pence can pardon him. So I’m torn - I’m pretty sure we (all of us on earth) a a bit less safe with him in office, but I long to see him prosecuted. He will doubtless attempt to pardon himself, and it’s definitely about time the pardon power was limited in some way (by judicial fiat) but Pence’s power to pardon him seems plenary to me unless pence is a codefendant. If we don’t prosecute him, government corruption becomes even more open and free of consequences. We clearly need to rein it in a great deal. you can't pardon an impeachment. it has to be rescinded CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Quote That is so; but Mexico banned further immigration from the United States in 1830, yet American colonists continued to arrive anyway. And the forces at the Alamo included volunteers from the States who had come in support of the revolution. Also, another big point of contention was that Mexico had banned slavery, and thousands of the colonists were slave-owners. The whole era was a flusterfubar. The government banned further immigration in 1830 then reinstated immigration after 1833 in response to requests from colonist petitions. The government banned slavery in 1829 except among immigrants from the US who were continued to be allowed to use slaves. General Santa Anna in Mexico led a successful rebellion against the government of Mexico with support of Texans. He had their support because he claimed to be in favor of greater autonomy for states...right up until he wasn't. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Texas-Revolution Their politics almost makes current US politics look reasonable and tidy. Hermit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 3 hours ago, archer said: The whole era was a flusterfubar. The government banned further immigration in 1830 then reinstated immigration after 1833 in response to requests from colonist petitions. The government banned slavery in 1829 except among immigrants from the US who were continued to be allowed to use slaves. General Santa Anna in Mexico led a successful rebellion against the government of Mexico with support of Texans. He had their support because he claimed to be in favor of greater autonomy for states...right up until he wasn't. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Texas-Revolution Their politics almost makes current US politics look reasonable and tidy. It's actually a fascinating period all around. IIRC, The Texas area was not the only Mexican State that was rebelling In addition to the Republic of Texas, there was also the Republic of the Rio Grande and the Republic of Yucatán. I maybe muddling the dates of those events but it was close I think. Texas just happened to succeed where others didn't and largely because the United States was ready to back it up and later take it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 It's amazing to me how many of the mob seem SURPRISED they can break into a federal building, the capitol no less, break laws, make threats (Implied at least) and end up *Gasp* On No Fly lists, or even just flat out get arrested. There are stories and reports of various mob members freaking out because they're discovering the law actually applies to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grailknight Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 The one guy who was held down in cuffs who kept yelling "You're treating me like a black person" brought a ray of joy to my heart. I know it's wrong to feel that vindictive but justice was so good. Old Man, Matt the Bruins, aylwin13 and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 12 minutes ago, Grailknight said: The one guy who was held down in cuffs who kept yelling "You're treating me like a black person" brought a ray of joy to my heart. I know it's wrong to feel that vindictive but justice was so good. Reminded me of this Onion bit Starlord 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 HAHA, that was great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 5 hours ago, csyphrett said: Its starting to come out that some of the new Republicans were tweeting where Nancy Pelosi were as the Service moved her around. There's talk about excluding them from action in the house and senate From what I saw, it wasn't clear. They weren't saying where she was, just that she had been moved. Which is still cagey as ef. --- You would not believe how many old friends of mine are saying effectively "coup?? that doesn't pass the sniff test. No way the elite police in DC would let that happen. lololol if it wasn't trespassing why weren't all the protesters shot???" I swear, OAN/Fox News is utterly culpable now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Well, I can't afford to burn bridges but i may have just done that. One of my relatives put up a long eloquent piece by Mike Rowe, and I ..tore into it. I have been SO good at trying not to rile family or friends who have supported Trump. The Coup was the last straw for me I fear. I hope this doesn't bite me in the ass, but I just can't stand the BS any longer. Lord Liaden, TrickstaPriest, Hotspur and 6 others 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hermit said: Well, I can't afford to burn bridges but i may have just done that. One of my relatives put up a long eloquent piece by Mike Rowe, and I ..tore into it. I have been SO good at trying not to rile family or friends who have supported Trump. The Coup was the last straw for me I fear. I hope this doesn't bite me in the ass, but I just can't stand the BS any longer. My sympathies. Went through the same thing with my father but with just expressing the facts calmly. We spent a frosty six months last year where I got the impression that he was waiting on me to apologize for the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Just now, archer said: My sympathies. Went through the same thing with my father but with just expressing the facts calmly. We spent a frosty six months last year where I got the impression that he was waiting on me to apologize for the facts. You used facts? you rat bastard! wcw43921 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hermit said: You used facts? you rat bastard! I've heard that facts do have a well-known liberal bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 It's along the same lines as "The virus doesn't care if you believe in it or not." Hermit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 32 minutes ago, Hermit said: Well, I can't afford to burn bridges but i may have just done that. One of my relatives put up a long eloquent piece by Mike Rowe, and I ..tore into it. I have been SO good at trying not to rile family or friends who have supported Trump. The Coup was the last straw for me I fear. I hope this doesn't bite me in the ass, but I just can't stand the BS any longer. My sympathies. I've hit my Last Straw moment five times now. The literal denial of the pandemic, and the denial denial (edit: denying the denial while simultaneously promoting an anti-mask culture, literally the least you could possibly do), and the direct interference with the election (USPS) while forewarning about it, the post election consequences, the Georgia call, and now this. This crappy coup was the most recorded/streamed single event in American history (except for the George Floyd protests, arguably). There's no excuse for people not to actually look at what happened. I've seen six angles of the officer being caught in the door during the door breach 'push' alone. I am running into a shocking amount of people who insist the coup wasn't a real thing, it's not Trump's fault, etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 32 minutes ago, Hermit said: You used facts? you rat bastard! It's a bad habit which I can't seem to break. Even when it'd be advantageous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Don't agree with this guy on a lot of things, but he's directly talking about what I am. Literally minimizing a literal coup (obviously warier of the latter half) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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