Hugh Neilson Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 10 hours ago, Pariah said: I'm curious, why do these folks think that Donald Trump won't throw them under the bus the way he has with so many others? ‘I’m facing a prison sentence’: US Capitol rioters plead with Trump for pardons This is the problem. When leaders are not held accountable, their followers don't think they should be either. Looking at the article, I note: THEN Quote “We’re gonna go down and storm the Capitol,” Ryan said in a video posted to Facebook. “They’re down there right now and that’s why we came and so that’s what we are going to do. So wish me luck.” During a live Facebook video at the scene of the incursion, Ryan stated: “We are going to f***ing go in here. Life or death, it doesn’t matter. Here we go.” She climbed the steps of the Capitol, then promoted her real estate business to camera: “Y’all know who to hire for your realtor. Jenna Ryan for your realtor.” Later, Ryan posted on Twitter: “We just stormed the Capital [sic]. It was one of the best days of my life.” NOW Quote “I’m facing a prison sentence,” she told CBS11 at her home. “I think I do not deserve that.” Turning to look into the camera, she said: “I would ask the president of the United States to give me a pardon.” So life or death didn't matter, but a prison sentence is excessive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 42 minutes ago, Hugh Neilson said: So life or death didn't matter, but a prison sentence is excessive? I don't know why they'd be so opposed to the proposition: prison worked great for Nelson Mandela (a major political symbol). Then again, Mandela is probably the last sort of person they would ever identify with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 58 minutes ago, Hugh Neilson said: So life or death didn't matter, but a prison sentence is excessive? I think part of it, as I wrote earlier, is that they were treating the whole thing like a game, not seriously thinking about being killed. They were also caught up in the passion of the moment. Now they've cooled off, and reality is knocking very hard at their door. They were also part of a pack, and probably felt safety in their numbers. But each of them is facing these charges alone. Hugh Neilson, Hermit, unclevlad and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 17 hours ago, Ragitsu said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/beeler-arrest-inauguration-checkpoint/2021/01/16/8597db24-5834-11eb-a817-e5e7f8a406d6_story.html He was working security and was released. he still has a problem with having a weapon in the District, but he wasn't there to do anything but protect some of the set up from damage CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 20 hours ago, Old Man said: Who said anything about Russians? Last I checked the Confederacy and Nazi Germany were formally declared enemies of the United States. And I reckon participating in a direct attack on Congress might violate an armistice provision or two. But, IANAL. And those states no longer exist. The Confederacy was defeated and absorbed. The Third Reich was defeated and abolished, and a new constitution was the basis for the current German republic. Anyone claiming to represent either of them or act in their name has no legal standing, other than as private citizens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 23 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: And those states no longer exist. The Confederacy was defeated and absorbed. The Third Reich was defeated and abolished, and a new constitution was the basis for the current German republic. Anyone claiming to represent either of them or act in their name has no legal standing, other than as private citizens. You don't actually need a declared war to commit an act of war under the title. I think the real sticking point is intent. Since most of these upstanding citizens have a fuzzy idea of their own intent at best, that's probably hard to prove. Lawnmower Boy and Twilight 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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archer Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 A simpler explanation: "these are the good guys" vs "the people who only think they're the good guys". The best thing about the simpler explanation is that both sides to a large extent accept it as a valid explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 Unfortunately it's been less than two weeks and I already get more pushback about BLM and the Floyd protests than I do about the Capitol Hill riot among almost half the friends I have. Cygnia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 Song for Donald and Melania... We're leavin' togetherBut still it's farewellAnd maybe we'll come backTo Earth, who can tell?I guess there is no one to blameWe're leaving ground (leaving ground)Will things ever be the same again? It's the final countdownThe final countdown The Final Countdown by Europe. Those of a certain age, you know you loved it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 It has come out that Boebort (the food poisoning, court defying, guncarrying in a no gun zone, restaurant owner congresswoman who tweeted they were moving Pelosi around) also gave tours to insurrectionists the day before the riot. The FBI are like man, that's a big coincidence CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 Looks like oil rises to the surface as readily as cream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 "Scum." I think the word you were looking for there is "scum." Edit to add: To clarify, the phrase I've heard is "Cream rises to the top. So does scum." I've never heard the phrase used with oil. Matt the Bruins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 On 1/17/2021 at 2:18 AM, Old Man said: Just showing constituents around when all Capitol tours have been banned since March? And I'd be interested to learn what percentage of "tourists" found themselves roaming around inside the Capitol again on January 6. I'd be interested to know why people can go on a tour of the Capitol at all, at any time and for any purposes over the last 20 years, without signing in and showing matching ID so that there's a record of them showing up, leaving, who signed them in, and what entrances and exits they used. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranxerox Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 Finally Revealed, Fox News Wrongful Death Settlement For The Killing Of Seth Rich Lawnmower Boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BNakagawa Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 https://www.politicususa.com/2021/01/18/parler-hosted-in-russia.html?fbclid=IwAR0xy5PDWfzzadouJk0C0t-cOlx-7_haaq-EY3Bp0nPpy1OAYwjzRx2en3Q Is anyone getting lots of comrade requests on Parler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 27 minutes ago, BNakagawa said: https://www.politicususa.com/2021/01/18/parler-hosted-in-russia.html?fbclid=IwAR0xy5PDWfzzadouJk0C0t-cOlx-7_haaq-EY3Bp0nPpy1OAYwjzRx2en3Q Is anyone getting lots of comrade requests on Parler? Yikes, that’s really problematic for our surveillance of various radical factions I suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 52 minutes ago, Iuz the Evil said: Yikes, that’s really problematic for our surveillance of various radical factions I suspect. Pretty interesting that it's Russia that's stepped in. I was only half-in-the-pool of them being closely involved (deniable but possible), but that pretty much clinches it for me. Hey now it's the US that's the subject of proxy wars of foreign countries! yaayy... 😕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 I'm going to love watching how any self-proclaimed American patriot using Parler rationalizes this. BTW I hear all the Americans pronouncing this social medium's name, "parlur," which sounds really cute to me, because "parler" is a French word, pronounced "par-LAY," literally the verb, "to speak." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 48 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: I'm going to love watching how any self-proclaimed American patriot using Parler rationalizes this. BTW I hear all the Americans pronouncing this social medium's name, "parlur," which sounds really cute to me, because "parler" is a French word, pronounced "par-LAY," literally the verb, "to speak." I think they were going off of 'parlour' or 'parlor' - which is a meeting or reception room often for conversation, i.e. beauty parlor or funeral parlor. Meanwhile.... Confused users in search of Parler push the app 'Parlor' to top of app store charts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 5 hours ago, Starlord said: I think they were going off of 'parlour' or 'parlor' - which is a meeting or reception room often for conversation, i.e. beauty parlor or funeral parlor. Meanwhile.... Confused users in search of Parler push the app 'Parlor' to top of app store charts What’s funny is that the less confused Parler users are switching to Signal. The other funny thing is that Signal tells you if someone in your contacts list signs up for Signal. I’ve gotten a few of those in the past week. Hmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 23 hours ago, csyphrett said: It has come out that Boebort (the food poisoning, court defying, guncarrying in a no gun zone, restaurant owner congresswoman who tweeted they were moving Pelosi around) also gave tours to insurrectionists the day before the riot. The FBI are like man, that's a big coincidence CES I'd like to read more about this. Source, link, please? (Yes, I can Google, but my service is real slow.) Dean Shomshak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 Oh, and my newspaper today carried a Bloomberg News story about Trump's post-presidential prospects. He's been cut off from the major social media outlets; PayPal and other major online minancial services have cut him off, too; his brand is toxic with retailers; banks say they won't do business with him; his name is being taken off real estate. Oh, and there's a stack of criminal investigations and civil lawsuits. But apparently he's still popular in Brazil, India and the Middle East, especially with populist leaders and petro-despots. So his future may be in Saudi Arabia or the UAE, and never mind about that "Muslim Ban." EDIT: And here's the link: Citizen Trump: The many paths ahead for the ex-president www.gctelegram.com/story/news/2021/01/19/citizen... Citizen Trump: The many paths ahead for the ex-president. By Tina Davis. Bloomberg News/TNS. Most ex-presidents spend their time out of office playing golf, getting their libraries in order ... Dean Shomshak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 T-minus x years until chummy Ellen interview? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted January 19, 2021 Report Share Posted January 19, 2021 Trump provoked deadly Capitol riot, Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell says "The mob was fed lies. They were provoked by the president and other powerful people," McConnell said. Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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