csyphrett Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Also if he allows the ACA to be repealed, that will be a personal blow to me and my family. Forgive me if I am not sanguine with the thought that we elected a moron who could not be trusted with his own phone the last two days of his campaign CES gewing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Change is nice, if it actually makes things better. I can't imagine Trump improving anything. There aren't words to describe the embarrassment, shame, anger, and disappointment I feel. We've put a racist, sexist, homophobic, ignorant, thin-skinned, short-tempered, crass, boorish sexual assailant in the White House. I can't. I just can't even. I'm ashamed to be American. I'm ashamed to be white. I'm ashamed to be male. And the damage to the Supreme Court could be catastrophic if more anti-women bible-thumpers get on the bench. If I could afford it, I'd be on my way to Canada or Denmark or Australia or something. Since I don't assume half of the US is stupid (and half of those people 'deplorable'), I'm simply trying to understand why they voted the way they did.** The same way I'd try to understand your rationale for leaving the country. **Edit: I think the severity of increasing Obamacare premiums everywhere probably had an underestimated effect as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Hillary's concession speech is being live streamed. It looks like it hasn't started yet. Here's the YouTube link. As per usual, probably want to avoid the comments there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-B6AtuNlMY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Won the popular vote...that darn Electoral college will get ya every time. Sociotard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 WTF? Kane started talking, then the video cut out and was replaced with "This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by ABC News." Edit: NYT link works: http://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000004708101/hillary-clinton-concession-speech-live-stream.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Won the popular vote...that darn Electoral college will get ya every time. So more people actually voted for her then Trump but he gets to be President because of this Electoral college BS? Sounds like the American election system needs some fixing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 So more people actually voted for her then Trump but he gets to be President because of this Electoral college BS? Sounds like the American election system needs some fixing. Yeah, not a fan of it myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vurbal Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Rather than comment on the outcome of the election, I'll simply share what my 20 year old daughter said this morning. After reading several friends' posts on Facebook, saying they wanted to leave the country, she said, "Too many people have sacrificed too much for this country to just lay down when things get hard." Pariah, Grailknight, gewing and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Yeah, not a fan of it myself. I can see why. An election is meant to be about the will of the people. Well the popular vote went to Hillary, thus the people have spoken regarding whom they actually want to be President. Thus the electoral college has subverted the will of the people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 So more people actually voted for her then Trump but he gets to be President because of this Electoral college BS? Sounds like the American election system needs some fixing. This isn't the first time it's happened, and it won't be the last. Fixing the Electoral College would require a Constitutional Amendment, and that would require 38 States to pass. I don't recall the last time 38 States agreed on anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolgroth Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Won the popular vote...that darn Electoral college will get ya every time. Well five out of forty-five times anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Rather than comment on the outcome of the election, I'll simply share what my 20 year old daughter said this morning. After reading several friends' posts on Facebook, saying they wanted to leave the country, she said, "Too many people have sacrificed too much for this country to just lay down when things get hard." Damn straight. You've raised a smart one, Vurbal. Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 This isn't the first time it's happened, and it won't be the last. Fixing the Electoral College would require a Constitutional Amendment, and that would require 38 States to pass. I don't recall the last time 38 States agreed on anything. Fixing it? I'm talking about abolishing it. It's subverted the will of the people more then once, it needs to go! Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heroic Halfwit Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 It is probably incorrect to assume that had the system been different, i.e. that the President were elected by simple majority direct vote that the campaigns or the results would be similar. Right now, there's relatively little spending in very populous states like California and New York because they are so solidly Democratic. With direct voting, that would likely change dramatically. Republicans in such states might be more motivated to vote as their votes might actually make a difference, unlike the current system. Would you want a president who had only two donors the Koch brothers and Bill Gates? Might you fear that they would enact policies to favor those two donors to the detriment of everyone else? States, donors similar thing. If you could win a substantial majority in California by sacrificing the Maple Syrup trade, and thus giving the shaft to New Hampshire... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Ternaugh, Starlord and Netzilla 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 See, I've been hoping they'd make the electorial college proportional for years.... have it break as close as possible to match. If some state is worth 20 mighty electoral votes, but it's nearly even... I'd much prefer it break down to 10/9/1 (Some third party perhaps) than winner take all. slikmar and aylwin13 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 On the bright side, Laura Benanti probably has a pretty regular four year gig: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88cdDa5Kyn4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 A few thoughts First, WTF! Second, this is the second time a sitcom predicted the future. First Parks and Recreation had the Cubs win the World Series, and in 2000 The Simpsons predicted Trump would be President. Third, WTF! aylwin13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 See, I've been hoping they'd make the electorial college proportional for years.... have it break as close as possible to match. If some state is worth 20 mighty electoral votes, but it's nearly even... I'd much prefer it break down to 10/9/1 (Some third party perhaps) than winner take all. A Presidential election is supposed to be the will of the people. Thus the popular vote should be more important then anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Also, the EC becomes susceptible to gerrymandering in states that allocate electors by district. Currently that's just Maine and Nebraska but if other states start doing that it could really start to skew the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 I am also glad the Democrats didn't nix the Filibuster. Now they still have at least one tool. Then again, perhaps we should listen to Mega and others here and just nix it now. It is afterall, extremely undemocratic. ^^ I plan to urge the DNC to filibuster at every turn. After all, the GOP opposed Obama at every turn; turnaround is fair play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Well five out of forty-five times anyway. If you ask me, that's five times to many! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 A Presidential election is supposed to be the will of the people. Thus the popular vote should be more important then anything. Our founding fathers seemed to have disagreed ... That said, the EC needs either overhaul or removal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 I was reading that the EC was a compromise between Congress electing the president and the people electing the president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister E Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Our founding fathers seemed to have disagreed ... That said, the EC needs either overhaul or removal. It has been obsolete for a long time now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.