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If they do form a third party, I doubt it will draw many of the existing Republican base which polling suggests is now predominantly Trumpist. But any splitting of the vote on the Right will benefit Democrats, and even "lesser of two evils" believers should welcome that in the present circumstances.

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On 5/12/2021 at 8:02 AM, Iuz the Evil said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/05/12/us/politics/liz-cheney-ousted-voted-out.amp.html
 

So, Liz Cheney is out for her refusal to bend the knee to Trump. And her statements of fact about the election and January 6 insurrection.

 

I do not like her family or politics, but that’s not a good sign for future election cycles if you enjoy things like Democratic process and smooth transitions of power...

 

This is pretty much the end of the democratic process in our country. 😕

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4 hours ago, Pariah said:

 

I've seen those kinds of stories from time to time over the years so I'm more than a little cynical (during Reagan, W. Bush, pre-Trump, and mid-Trump).

 

But this is the first time I've seen it after the Republicans kicked a prominent Republican out of a leadership post because she refused to give silent consent, or vocal support, to an insurrectionist. So maybe they're highly motivated into actual action rather than only motivated to voice an idle threat.

 

Their letter is supposed to come out later today.

 

If it gives the Republican party a definite deadline (such as August 1st or June 30th) and a list of specific requirements it must meet in order to keep them in the party, then I'll take their threat as being serious (rather than being hot air).

 

I'll keep my fingers crossed.

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3 hours ago, Ragitsu said:

Just dropping in to voice my disgust with how the United States' government is responding to the Israeli violence.

I'll second that disgust and add some disgust toward the people who're acting like Israel is the victim, when they're shooting civilians.

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A Palestinian professor and Israeli political reporter discussed the situation on All Things Considered. They agreed how... remarkable it is that this conflict has saved Netanyahu's political future after four inconclusive elections and failures to form a government, with likely jail for corruption once he's out of office.

 

Though it's been good for Hamas, too. All the Palestinian groups have lined up in shared outrage.

 

A nasty, suspicious person might suspect collusion. Or at least a recognition of reciprocal interests.

 

But I am not sure what the US government *can* do about this, that would be politically possible, meaningful and effective.

 

Dean Shomshak

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From our old friend Bunneh:

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Q: How many Republicans does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

 

A: All of them. No one wants to be left out if someone is getting screwed.

 

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8 minutes ago, DShomshak said:

A Palestinian professor and Israeli political reporter discussed the situation on All Things Considered. They agreed how... remarkable it is that this conflict has saved Netanyahu's political future after four inconclusive elections and failures to form a government, with likely jail for corruption once he's out of office.

 

Though it's been good for Hamas, too. All the Palestinian groups have lined up in shared outrage.

 

A nasty, suspicious person might suspect collusion. Or at least a recognition of reciprocal interests.

 

But I am not sure what the US government *can* do about this, that would be politically possible, meaningful and effective.

 

Dean Shomshak

There might be things that the US government can do about this, though I'm not quite certain what they are at the moment.  The question is, in my opinion, what are they actually willing to do about this? Nobody in the government has been willing to call out Israel on it's BS, possibly because the whole conflict is a cash cow for the military industrial complex.  Pro Israel groups are going around trying to silence people who speak out against them, as they did with Sami Zayn when he made some comments on Twitter about the conflict and they're only to happy to spread Israeli propaganda whenever they can.  They've hopped into bed with the Israelis by this point and nobody seems to have the moral strength to change that.

 

As for the notion of collusion between Netanyahu and Hamas, it wouldn't exactly surprise me.  He doesn't exactly strike me as a person with a strong moral center y'know?

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10 hours ago, Cygnia said:

I try to stay out of US politics, especially when US folk are discussing it, but is there some kind of Freaky Friday thing going on with Greene? 

 

Seriously, she comes out with stuff I'd expect from a high schooler in some shitty teen movie. Is there a chance one of her kids is currently acting like an adult and confusing everybody as they smash it in their push for class president? 

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4 hours ago, Normthebarman said:

I try to stay out of US politics, especially when US folk are discussing it, but is there some kind of Freaky Friday thing going on with Greene? 

 

Seriously, she comes out with stuff I'd expect from a high schooler in some shitty teen movie. Is there a chance one of her kids is currently acting like an adult and confusing everybody as they smash it in their push for class president? 

 

Are you sure it's a teen and not an elementary school kid?  Just sayin'.

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To be blunt, the Republican party "strategy" is to suppress the vote enough in 2022 to win back the House and maybe the Senate, and then in 2024 if Biden still wins, including in a few key red states, reject the results and install the Republican nominee as president.  There's no plausible scenario where a Republican House and Senate will accept the legitimacy of a Biden win in 2024.  What's sad is that this reality won't dawn on a majority of citizens until after it actually happens.

 

The Republican party has given up on democracy and they've given up on governance.  All they want now is to rule.

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Well. . .

 

In February of 1951, Senator Joe McCarthy, riding high after he was perceived to have been behind several Republican come-from-behind Senate victories in the Midwest in the 1950 midterms, secured Senator Margaret Chase Smith's removal from a key Senate committee membership. A liberal GOPer from Maine, Smith's 1 June 1950 "Declaration of Conscience," in which she condemned McCarthy and his methods (without naming the Senator) was part of a Never-McCarthy effort in the Senate, to use some anachronistic language, which had, by January, obviously collapsed. McCarthy was by this time issuing threats against all of them, and financed a primary challenger to Smith in 1952. And by "financed," I mean, since McCarthy never had two nickels to rub together because there was still booze and male prostitutes unpaid for, that he diverted some of his copious fundraising flow to the effort. 

 

It failed, of course, along with all McCarthy's other efforts against "Snow White and the Six Dwarfs." By 1952, people were talking about Smith as a vice-presidential candidate on Eisenhower's ticket. Eisenhower, interestingly enough, had defeated "Mr. Conservative," Senator Robert Taft, in the 1952 convention, causing such acrimony that a number of young Republicans ran off to found National Review to save real American conservatism. (Two of the founders having previously been behind a book length defence of McCarthy, McCarthy and His Enemies

 

By 1954, Smith had the pleasure of joining the rest of the GOP caucus in voting to censure McCarthy. Bill Buckley, one of the coauthors of McCarthy and His Enemies never exactly came clear on his position on McCarthy, but he is famous for reading the John Birch Society out of the Republican Party after determining that they were just too crazy for the GOP to safely associate with. And by crazy I should take this moment to point out that some of the prominent leadership of the rightmost fringes of the GOP in the early Fifties were dabbling in death squad talk, which seems at least as bad as refusing to register election returns, at least to me. 

 

I could talk about Charles Lindbergh, but the point here is that the GOP has gotten itself embroiled in the right wing fever swamps before, and the playbook that works is to play dead until the movement runs out of steam and then stab it in the back, and certainly not to get out in front of it. 

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I saw the video of Greene. I literally felt shivers knowing that people such as her - and those canny enough to still their tongue while in the grip of delirium - have the power to effect changes in national policy.

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2 hours ago, L. Marcus said:

"Community caretaking"? That sounds like a real weasel phrase. What does it mean in actual life?

 

In this particular case, "community caretaking" meant that if you voluntarily consented to having a mental health exam done to yourself, the police were taking that as consent for them to do a warrantless search of your house and confiscate any firearms which were in the house (whether the guns were yours or not). 

 

That's not all that much different from a person who consents to an eye exam having their car confiscated from them, in my opinion. (Hey, you don't want blind people driving cars around do you? Hey, you don't want crazy people owning guns do you? Because having an eye exam proves that you're blind just like having a mental exam proves that you are crazy.)

 

Even setting aside that this behavior by the police was outrageous just on the surface, you wouldn't want potentially mentally ill people from putting off getting themselves checked out because of worries that their guns will be confiscated.

 

If someone does prove to be mentally ill, there'll be opportunities for treatment, for them to voluntarily give up their guns, for their family to convince them to give up their guns, or for the courts to order the guns to be confiscated.

 

Having the police jump straight to punishment without any due process isn't how the legal system is supposed to work. And I'd imagine that's why the Supreme Court unanimously said the police's actions were wrong.

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