Cygnia Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 Trump doesn’t have presidential immunity from lawsuits over January 6, appeals court rules wcw43921, tkdguy, Old Man and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Cygnia said: Trump doesn’t have presidential immunity from lawsuits over January 6, appeals court rules This defense has not worked for him in one of the Carrol cases either. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 I particularly like the basis. Quote The president “does not spend every minute of every day exercising official responsibilities,” the opinion said. “And when he acts outside the functions of his office, he does not continue to enjoy immunity. … When he acts in an unofficial, private capacity, he is subject to civil suits like any private citizen.” 3 minutes ago, csyphrett said: This defense has not worked for him in one of the Carrol cases either. CES Where have any of his claims held up...other than, perhaps, a court run by one of his minion judges? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 However these cases turn out, Trump is living every day in terror of punishment, his empire of houses of cards is bleeding money to death, and his precious "brand" is annihilated. That at least is some measure of justice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DShomshak Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 10 hours ago, unclevlad said: b) 112 voted no...as did 2 Democrats. Yeah, OK, the Freedom Caucus folks looked to be in there, but that's a lot more than just them. The ATC story said two representatives voted "Present," rather than yea or nay, but didn't specify whether than yea or nay, but I didn't catch if the report specified they were Democrats. I could look it up, I suppose, but I'm busy with other things. I'm not sure how to interpret "Present." Dean Shomshak 3 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: H his empire of houses of cards is bleeding money to death, Ow, ow, mixed metaphors! Dean Shomshak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 The 2 Presents were Democrats, one from Texas, the other from Illinois. NYT has the complete vote list. But, yeah, not sure how to read that either. The NY Republican contingent was 3 No (with Santos, of course, being one), and 8 Yes. Wonder how much backlash those 2 No's are gonna get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 1 hour ago, DShomshak said: Ow, ow, mixed metaphors! Dean Shomshak And how many would have to guts to pull that off? I thought of putting each metaphor in its own sentence, but decided mashing them together would make them more memorable. Looks like it worked. 😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcw43921 Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 12 hours ago, unclevlad said: And while seeing Boebert and Greene out would be nice...it won't be via this route. I'm somewhat expecting that one or the other--or even both--will rage-quit after a tantrum complaining that they can't get anything done with all the RINOs in the House. Or some other reason like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 1 hour ago, wcw43921 said: I'm somewhat expecting that one or the other--or even both--will rage-quit after a tantrum complaining that they can't get anything done with all the RINOs in the House. Or some other reason like that. They may have come to believe that right-wing voters love them for themselves, not because they belong to the GOP, and will be reelected outside the Party. I hope they try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 Florida Republicans face a crisis as the state party chair is accused of sexual battery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 Well. I'll just say this - I hadn't actually realized he was still alive, for whatever that says about anything. I believe I remember some Monty Python lines involving his name. Actually... song... oh yes. I own a copy of The Final Ripoff, fond memories of listening to that CD. Lyrics Henry Kissinger How I'm missing yer You're the Doctor of my dreams With your crinkly hair and your glassy stare And your machiavellian schemes I know they say that you are very vain And short and fat and pushy but at least you're not insane Henry Kissinger How I'm missing yer And wishing you were here Henry Kissinger How I'm missing yer You're so chubby and so neat With your funny clothes and your squishy nose You're like a German parakeet All right so people say that you don't care Ternaugh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 1 hour ago, MrWolf said: Well. I'll just say this - I hadn't actually realized he was still alive, for whatever that says about anything. I believe I remember some Monty Python lines involving his name. Actually... song... oh yes. I own a copy of The Final Ripoff, fond memories of listening to that CD. Lyrics Henry Kissinger How I'm missing yer You're the Doctor of my dreams With your crinkly hair and your glassy stare And your machiavellian schemes I know they say that you are very vain And short and fat and pushy but at least you're not insane Henry Kissinger How I'm missing yer And wishing you were here Henry Kissinger How I'm missing yer You're so chubby and so neat With your funny clothes and your squishy nose You're like a German parakeet All right so people say that you don't care That was where my mind went when I first heard of his passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clonus Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 On 12/1/2023 at 4:23 PM, Lord Liaden said: However these cases turn out, Trump is living every day in terror of punishment, his empire of houses of cards is bleeding money to death, and his precious "brand" is annihilated. That at least is some measure of justice. The blood may be flowing into the sand the house of cards is built on but he keeps on throwing stones in it. Lord Liaden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 Another dirty trick: using deepfake to trash people you don't like: Is this subject to legal repercussions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 9 hours ago, tkdguy said: Another dirty trick: using deepfake to trash people you don't like: Is this subject to legal repercussions? It depends. If the person attacked can prove defamation in a state with those laws, then there could a lawsuit over. Since this video is supposedly a sliced together video of Cortez, she can sue maybe under the fact they used her appearance. CES tkdguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 I think the man's comments at around 2:13 on..."it doesn't need to be plausible, because people are so desperate to believe things about those they despise that they utterly suspend their disbelief." That's significant here, in that part of the defense against defamation, in similar cases, has been "no reasonable person believes him." This arguably spears that smack in the side, if it's accepted as accurate. The issue first would be, WHO would you sue? The Dominion case was easy because all of Fox News was a massive target. Who did this? Finding that out is exceptionally difficult, if not impossible, as it's SO easy to do this, and to slip it into channels. If it's a foreign national, then trying to bring the case is hard, and collecting on any judgment would be even harder, assuming we're talking an unfriendly nation. If it's a US citizen, fine, you can win the case, assuming you can identify the person responsible, and can prove it...you can conceivably argue for reasonably sizable damages. But what can you collect? I'm fairly sure the #1 problem, tho, is the needle in a haystack problem. Look how infrequently spam email servers or the robocall centers get shut down...and they're responsible for massively more activity, which is also explicitly criminal activity, not civil. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clonus Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) Biden issued his statement. I’ll never forget the first time I met Dr. Kissinger. I was a young Senator, and he was Secretary of State—giving a briefing on the state of the world. Throughout our careers, we often disagreed. And often strongly. But from that first briefing — his fierce intellect and profound strategic focus was evident. Long after retiring from government, he continued to offer his views and ideas to the most important policy discussion across multiple generations. Jill and I send our condolences to his wife Nancy, his children Elizabeth and David, his grandchildren, and all those who loved him. Morbius was the one of the movies of all time. That is the most lukewarm tribute to a deceased person I've ever read. Edited December 5, 2023 by Clonus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 On NPR it was pointed out that Kissinger was a brilliant SoS, for whom human rights simply were not a factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 It's always helpful to get intelligent informed perspectives on important issues, even if you don't agree with them. Sometimes especially if you don't agree with them. Grailknight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 On 12/2/2023 at 1:01 PM, Ternaugh said: That was where my mind went when I first heard of his passing. Mine went to "Only the Good Die Young." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted December 5, 2023 Report Share Posted December 5, 2023 Congressman George Santos Charged With Conspiracy, Wire Fraud, False Statements, Falsification of Records, Aggravated Identity Theft, and Credit Card Fraud Ternaugh and Old Man 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 5, 2023 Report Share Posted December 5, 2023 It's a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cygnia Posted December 5, 2023 Report Share Posted December 5, 2023 Johnson says GOP staff is blurring participants' faces in Jan. 6 tapes to protect them from DOJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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