bigbywolfe Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 For some reason I was under the impression that when you used a shield's DCV value as OCV to Block it functioned only as OCV. Essentially since you were actively using the shield as OCV you lost the passive DCV it offered. Now I just read a combat example that counted the shield for OCV in a Block and still counted in the character's DCV at the same time.Have I had this wrong in my head this whole time? Or is the combat example incorrect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper-Man Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Sounds like a good question for Mr. Long. *I don't recall the question being asked before. HM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuSoardGraphite Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 For some reason I was under the impression that when you used a shield's DCV value as OCV to Block it functioned only as OCV. Essentially since you were actively using the shield as OCV you lost the passive DCV it offered. Now I just read a combat example that counted the shield for OCV in a Block and still counted in the character's DCV at the same time. Have I had this wrong in my head this whole time? Or is the combat example incorrect? I have always played that the phase in which you use the shield to block, you lose its DCV bonus. The bonus from a shield is Combat Skill Levels on a focus. CSLs can only be used in one way from phase to phase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eepjr24 Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 It depends on how the shield is modeled. Often times they are modeled as Mulltipowers. If so then generally the slots are fixed and the AP is such that you would lose the DCV or +HA when you used the OCV for block. Not a dumb question at all, if there even is such a thing. =) - E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 For me its an either/or thing, because of how its used. If you're blocking with a shield, you're actively using it to interpose against a specific attack. If you're using it for DCV, you're using it to make it harder to hit you because of its coverage. Its not going to work to try to do both at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper-Man Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Except that a Martial Block provides a +2 OCV & +2 DCV Bonus when used. I could see possibly Limiting the DCV bonus for the shield to only work vs. target of the Block. However, that is more bookkeeping. HM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Martial Block is a pretty specific type of action though, it involves not just interposing but moving and acting in a way that makes you harder to hit as well. Just putting a shield in the way of an attack is a far cry from martial arts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbywolfe Posted May 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Except that a Martial Block provides a +2 OCV & +2 DCV Bonus when used. I could see possibly Limiting the DCV bonus for the shield to only work vs. target of the Block. However, that is more bookkeeping. HM Many Martial Maneuvers add to both OCV and DCV though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper-Man Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 So has anyone posted the question to Steve in the Rules Forum yet? HM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuSoardGraphite Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 It depends on how the shield is modeled. Often times they are modeled as Mulltipowers. If so then generally the slots are fixed and the AP is such that you would lose the DCV or +HA when you used the OCV for block. Not a dumb question at all, if there even is such a thing. =) - E The shields out of the Fantasy Hero book are CSLs on a Focus. That is the build I was referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eepjr24 Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 The shields out of the Fantasy Hero book are CSLs on a Focus. That is the build I was referring to. Same here? FH6e, 226 In game terms, a shield is bought as a two-slot Multipower. The first slot provides bonuses to DCV, bought as DCV Levels with the OAF (-1), Real Armor (-¼), Mass (Normal Mass; -1), and STR Minimum Limitations. <snip> The second slot allows the character to perform a “shield bash” maneuver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyper-Man Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Looks like we need specifics of the combat example that raised the original question. HM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuSoardGraphite Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Same here? FH6e, 226 Damn 6e keeps changing builds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted May 22, 2016 Report Share Posted May 22, 2016 Bigbywolf I think the combat example is wrong. I believe that it is DCV with the exemption that the user could use the bonus for OCV to block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbywolfe Posted May 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 Bigbywolf I think the combat example is wrong. I believe that it is DCV with the exemption that the user could use the bonus for OCV to block.That seems to be the concensus. Glad to know I'm wasn't crazy and confused this whole time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 I've always used it that way too, tho I confess I'd never really given it much thought. Where was the combat example that indicated otherwise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbywolfe Posted May 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 When I first posted this I was at work and didn't have my 6E books on me. The example was in Narosia: Sea of Tears. Going back and comparing the two it seems Narosia actually builds shields differently so it is probably intentional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 When I first posted this I was at work and didn't have my 6E books on me. The example was in Narosia: Sea of Tears. Going back and comparing the two it seems Narosia actually builds shields differently so it is probably intentional. How dare they break from the norm! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 That seems to be the concensus. Glad to know I'm wasn't crazy and confused this whole time. Well if you agree with me then maybe we're both crazy? How would we know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbywolfe Posted May 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 How dare they break from the norm! I'm fine with how they do it, but I needed to know what the default way was to know if it was a mistake, an intentional change, or me just being wrong about how shields worked all these years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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