Old Man Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Is that the Orc Cop one? I don't remember what it's called, it has some meaningless title, when it ought to be called Orc Cop. Newly released images of the titular starship in ST:Discovery show that it is even uglier than originally thought. massey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 I saw the trailer for the Shadowrun Buddy Cop thing today. It's a movie, not a series. At least if it's bad, it'll only waste a couple hours of my life max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagged Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 I believe the shadowrun thing is called Bright. Nolgroth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massey Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Is that the Orc Cop one? I don't remember what it's called, it has some meaningless title, when it ought to be called Orc Cop. Truer words were never spoken. The only thing that makes me kind of interested in STD (hmm... that's not a great abbreviation. "what are you doing, honey?" "I'm getting my STD on.") is that Harry Mudd is going to be played by Dwight. Mudd was a silly character, but... Dwight. M. -- Methodical U. -- Undeterred D. -- Determined worker D. -- Diligent worker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranxerox Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 It'll be on Netflix outside the US. If you're in the US, you're stuck with the CBS streaming service. I plan to wait until the CBS service fails, then watch it when it finally makes it to US Netflix. Bummer. Well, I guess that I will be doing what you are doing. That is unless it turn out to suck, in which case I will be spared the bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 I didn't catch more than a few episodes of Voyager and Enterprise after they premiered, and I've not felt their lack keenly in the years since. I feel no urge at all to sign on for this new streaming service. Maybe if it were 1994 hot on the heels of TNG wrapping it up. massey and Christopher R Taylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 If you can figure out a way to get back to 1994, can I hitch a ride? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 Yeah I think they've pretty well burnt up any goodwill people had toward Star Trek and people are largely indifferent about the series now. I know I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 Oh, I adore Star Trek, and have much good will towards it... Go tasteful Fanfic, go RP gamers... go folks who actually love the property Hell, Galaxy Quest is a love letter compared to what those in charge try to pull Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Shadow Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 I wrote a bit of Star Trek fanfic if anyone's interested. https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5509358/1/Business-as-Usual Hermit and Old Man 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech priest support Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 If you can figure out a way to get back to 1994, can I hitch a ride? Take me too! Just let me pick up a few....things first. I'll need to stop at a sports and hunting store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech priest support Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 As for me, I'm not watching this and I hope it dies. After what CBS and paramount did to Axanar I won't give either a cent. Nolgroth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasBroot Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 ... protected their IP (especially since they were developing a show of their own)? I might be way off base but if you don't defend your copywrite and trademarks can't people sue for them to become public domain (or at least sue that they don't need to pay you to use them?) I won't be watching because it doesn't look interesting and I've finally realized that I don't need to watch something just because it's part of a setting I like (Thank you, Stargate Universe). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 Trademarks need to be defended. Copyrights don't. The issue with Axanar is, they gave the go ahead, then took it back when they saw the funding Axanar was getting. So, it's been seen as bad faith dealing on their part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 Trademarks need to be defended. Copyrights don't. The issue with Axanar is, they gave the go ahead, then took it back when they saw the funding Axanar was getting. So, it's been seen as bad faith dealing on their part. I believe that this is the entire problem CBS has with Trek right now. They are dishonest in both intent and how they deal with the existing fan base,, they repeatedly say one thing and do a completely different thing. And then make believe it never happened. Is Star Trek (TV) their IP? Yes. Can they do what ever they want with it? Absolutely. Is announcing the intent to do one thing and then doing something completely different a good sales tactic? Nope, In the real world that is known as Bait & Switch and is considered a con. The Prime Universe timeline has existed for over 50 years and has been embraced by millions. Even when the original show had been written off as a failure, the fans were there and those same fans embraced and launched the moves and then TNG and the rest. When they created the new movies (Kelvin timeline) some liked it some didn't, but the only controversy was the controversy generated by magazines and web-blogs desperate for clicks. In this case CBS announced that the new series would continue in the existing Prime timeline ten years before TOS and then immediately changed everything. Literally everything. Like Twilight tried to transform Vampires from ancient evil entities into glitter dusted boytoys, the first look at STD has the hardened no nonsense Klingon warrior race transformed into pimped out somethings. Their equipment went from tough utilitarian tools and weapons to gaudy for gaudy's sake. All technology follows functional reasoning. Form follows function. That is why there are so few overall changes. A ship today and a ship built in the 1800's is still recognizable as a ship, with the biggest noticeable change being masts and sails. But overall if you line them up, you can easily trace the evolution of the ship from the past to present. Fictional settings are not different. You pick the parameters of the rubber science and go. TOS was created in a TV era where continuity wasn't a thing and no effort was expended to try and make things fit. But they did establish a few general "rules". When the movies sparked Treks return the new series (TNG, DS9, etc) did try to maintain continuity and did so. Each new series adding to the "rules" and the canon. When they did ENT they realized that a major issue was blending into the timeline when TOS on screen tech was obviously behind real world current tech. They set the new series 100 before TOS. But even with the visual update the overall ship designs and uniforms did look like they could have been before TOS. Any fan could take the ships and draw a progressing line from ENT to TOS to TNG to DS9 to VOY. Fudging a little to compensate for Hollywood Tech they all still held up. But here comes STD. Ten years before TOS and the ship design does not fit anywhere. There is no path from ENT to STD to TOS. If they would have been honest up front and said they were creating a new stand alone Trek then they might have succeeded. Fans would watch a new reboot for all the lamentations for a fans favorite series. But they didn't. 1) They say that Axanar is great, and then when it looks to be a massive hit, they reversed and killed it. 2) They see Trek fans as a collective herd of stupid idiots who will automatically hand them money so they pander with the Bait & Switch promise about the Prime timeline. 3) They blithefully intone "Ignore our lies and subscribe to a web stream for only one show that isn't what we promised". 4) They repeatedly make believe 1 through 3 didn't happen and anyone that doesn't like being mislead is a whiner, ensuring anyone that was on the fence gets pissed off and leaves. Nolgroth, Pattern Ghost, Iuz the Evil and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 I believe that this is the entire problem CBS has with Trek right now. They are dishonest in both intent and how they deal with the existing fan base,, they repeatedly say one thing and do a completely different thing. And then make believe it never happened. Is Star Trek (TV) their IP? Yes. Can they do what ever they want with it? Absolutely. Is announcing the intent to do one thing and then doing something completely different a good sales tactic? Nope, In the real world that is known as Bait & Switch and is considered a con. The Prime Universe timeline has existed for over 50 years and has been embraced by millions. Even when the original show had been written off as a failure, the fans were there and those same fans embraced and launched the moves and then TNG and the rest. When they created the new movies (Kelvin timeline) some liked it some didn't, but the only controversy was the controversy generated by magazines and web-blogs desperate for clicks. In this case CBS announced that the new series would continue in the existing Prime timeline ten years before TOS and then immediately changed everything. Literally everything. Like Twilight tried to transform Vampires from ancient evil entities into glitter dusted boytoys, the first look at STD has the hardened no nonsense Klingon warrior race transformed into pimped out somethings. Their equipment went from tough utilitarian tools and weapons to gaudy for gaudy's sake. All technology follows functional reasoning. Form follows function. That is why there are so few overall changes. A ship today and a ship built in the 1800's is still recognizable as a ship, with the biggest noticeable change being masts and sails. But overall if you line them up, you can easily trace the evolution of the ship from the past to present. Fictional settings are not different. You pick the parameters of the rubber science and go. TOS was created in a TV era where continuity wasn't a thing and no effort was expended to try and make things fit. But they did establish a few general "rules". When the movies sparked Treks return the new series (TNG, DS9, etc) did try to maintain continuity and did so. Each new series adding to the "rules" and the canon. When they did ENT they realized that a major issue was blending into the timeline when TOS on screen tech was obviously behind real world current tech. They set the new series 100 before TOS. But even with the visual update the overall ship designs and uniforms did look like they could have been before TOS. Any fan could take the ships and draw a progressing line from ENT to TOS to TNG to DS9 to VOY. Fudging a little to compensate for Hollywood Tech they all still held up. But here comes STD. Ten years before TOS and the ship design does not fit anywhere. There is no path from ENT to STD to TOS. If they would have been honest up front and said they were creating a new stand alone Trek then they might have succeeded. Fans would watch a new reboot for all the lamentations for a fans favorite series. But they didn't. 1) They say that Axanar is great, and then when it looks to be a massive hit, they reversed and killed it. 2) They see Trek fans as a collective herd of stupid idiots who will automatically hand them money so they pander with the Bait & Switch promise about the Prime timeline. 3) They blithefully intone "Ignore our lies and subscribe to a web stream for only one show that isn't what we promised". 4) They repeatedly make believe 1 through 3 didn't happen and anyone that doesn't like being mislead is a whiner, ensuring anyone that was on the fence gets pissed off and leaves. Basically agree with everything you said. And even so, if they wanted to make a boat load of money off us stupid sheep they should follow basic marketing strategy and give the buyers what they want. Why pander to creative talent that has repeatedly demonstrated they do not know what they are doing (at least with the television IP)? Reach out and bind contractually these impudent Axanar folks, get them on your payroll as technical consultants at the very least. Try it out in television medium. Lower risk. Do a 4-6 episode pilot, see how it works. It's not that hard. I can't understand why they wouldn't want to run with that formula. Spence 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 Basically agree with everything you said. And even so, if they wanted to make a boat load of money off us stupid sheep they should follow basic marketing strategy and give the buyers what they want. Why pander to creative talent that has repeatedly demonstrated they do not know what they are doing (at least with the television IP)? Reach out and bind contractually these impudent Axanar folks, get them on your payroll as technical consultants at the very least. Try it out in television medium. Lower risk. Do a 4-6 episode pilot, see how it works. It's not that hard. I can't understand why they wouldn't want to run with that formula. LOL But they couldn't do that! It would make absolutely too much sense. Imagine if they let riffraff in off of the street. What would happen to their jobs! No, they will continue to crank out drivel and count on enough sheeple to make a buck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 That's my take as well. A mix of arrogance and lack of respect for their consumers. Spence 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Oh, this does not look good it's 21 minutes long but very informative. Spock's sister? Oy. And apparently the term "Prime" time line is being used much like "real cheese" Spence and Doc Shadow 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Oh, this does not look good it's 21 minutes long but very informative. Spock's sister? Oy. And apparently the term "Prime" time line is being used much like "real cheese" And it gets worse........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolgroth Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 My level of surprise about all that the video discussed is in the slight blip between 0 and 0.1. Spock's previously unmentioned step-sister? I never thought it was possible to jump the shark before the first episode even airs. I think STD just managed to do it. But to be positive, that space suit armor thing looks pretty neat. And....yeah, that's all I got. Beast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 ". . . hard science fiction of the original series." Burrito Boy and Spence 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Hey, some of those Styrofoam rocks on the set hurt if you got hit with them hard!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Hell, Galaxy Quest is a love letter compared to what those in charge try to pull Galaxy Quest was intended as a love letter. ("Affectionate Parody", TV Tropes calls it.) And I maintain that Galaxy Quest was and is the best Star Trek movie so far. Ternaugh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 It's certainly in the top five maybe top 3 for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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