death tribble Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 I thought of making a villainous Mountie called Dudley Do Wrong after reading the above posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 I thought of making a villainous Mountie called Dudley Do Wrong after reading the above posts Ah...the Arch-Nemesis of Dudley Do Right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted October 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 And their brother, Dudley Do-nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrinku Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 There was a cousin that went into music in the 60's and worked with Phil Spector; Dudley Do-Ron-Ron-Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Well this is going down hill fast ☺ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 I thought of making a villainous Mountie called Dudley Do Wrong after reading the above posts Great, now you've turned the Commonwealth against us. Ah...the Arch-Nemesis of Dudley Do Right. At least get that part right -- that was Snidely Whiplash. (I can't believe I'm defending this cr@p.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nothere Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Clearly Snidely Whiplash is the Nest Leader for all Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Thinking... If the earliest Champions products hadn't had UNTIL, and instead used a US group, where would that have left players in the rest of the world? With UNTIL, you could write scenarios that were more or less portable all over the world without modification. Of course the problem of using a non-national group happens pretty much everywhere... There's no easy answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrinku Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Fortunately at the time SHIELD hadn't become an arm of the US Government, so UNTIL was created as an international organisation. As far as "what if"... well, I always set all my stuff in the US anyway. But it's pretty easy to port over an organisation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Don't forget there was also the precedent of Gold Key Comics' T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents, for "The Higher United Nations Defense Enforcement Reserve." And TV's Man/Girl from UNCLE also featured an international espionage organization. For that matter, SHIELD in the MCU initially reported to the "World Security Council," whose members clearly included non-Americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Thinking... If the earliest Champions products hadn't had UNTIL, and instead used a US group, where would that have left players in the rest of the world? With UNTIL, you could write scenarios that were more or less portable all over the world without modification. Of course the problem of using a non-national group happens pretty much everywhere... There's no easy answer. Well, other early American-based Champions "super agencies," notably PRIMUS and SAT, were essentially THE agency from the campaigns of the writers of early Champs supplements. They all ended up thrown together and had to be sorted out when Hero Games attempted to give the setting more coherence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted October 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Ok I going to ....er biorrow the Maine and recast him for Lake Erie. Working name Ironsides. Also feeling the vibe for Harmon Industries to be attacked for their Turtle Armor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrinku Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Also, SHIELD is an overt swipe from UNCLE. Stan saw a bandwagon worth jumping on and went for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 Here's a Viper plot: Viper sets up 'undesirable' agents to look like well-known supervillains. The Viper commander tells those agents they're testing new Viper equipment when all they have is the usual agent equipment disguised to look like a particular supervillains'. While these 'supervillains' are out committing a crime, the real Viper plot is being done somewhere else. If nothing else, it'll make the heroes scratch their heads, wondering why the supervillains are so pathetic that day? Complicate things: Viper keeps sending more unwanted agents out in disguise, confusing heroes and possibly making heroes wonder if something is wrong with the villains. Complicate things even more: The villains being imitated are getting upset and start looking for the guys behind all this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted October 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 Tech I like your plot however I think for it to be effective, the kids need to fight said villains a couple of times before using the imposters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrinku Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 You could also seed in the "unwanted agents" as comedy characters in an early run-in to establish just why Viper considers them expendable, even maybe make them campaign regulars. Joe and Suzy, the bumbling Viper agents (or team leaders). And I've realised as I wrote it that that is basically the description of Team Rocket's Jesse and James from Pokémon! Give Joe and Suzy an unusual sidekick, too (That idea may or may not be appropriate for the campaign tone. But even a serious setting can benefit from occasional comic relief.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantriped Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 "Team Viper is blasting off again!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrinku Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 I love Team Rocket. Named my Warhammer 40K Ork Tankbustas after them (i.e. Teem Rokkit), although I never modelled them to look like them. Tank Girl got an Orky miniature though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted November 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 I found my old copy of White Wolf magazine that had a DC Heroes adventure that I could fine tune for VIPER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 On 10/31/2017 at 5:01 PM, Ninja-Bear said: Tech I like your plot however I think for it to be effective, the kids need to fight said villains a couple of times before using the imposters. Well, that just creates more fun episodes for you to do before this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted November 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Hey I ran across a villain in Enemies for Hire named Sundown. Background is he applied for Viper’s Man-Mutation Project and when they though he was dead, threw him in the nearest Great Lake. Hmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 4E and earlier Champions books are littered with former VIPER operatives. It became such a running joke for VIPER supers to leave for greener passages, Scott Bennie addressed the problem in his first VIPER source book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcw43921 Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Here's a more adult VIPER plot--agents impersonating local police officers (or infiltrators in the department) begin harassing minorities and street people with the intention of casting the police in a bad light. The heroes being keeping an eye out for such incidents, and when one develops in front of them, they are attacked by a VIPER Five-Team disguised as the local "Super-SWAT" unit, or one or more mercenary super-criminals. The player-heroes have to resolve the situation while maintaining good relations with the authorities--assuming such relations exist in the first place. Hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted November 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Wcw43921 thanks but I’m dealing with young kids :). Inspired by Sundown’s background, I think what I might do is have a villain of the week. They are created by VIPER’s man mutation project. (And i’ll use the random mutant generator from the mutant files) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steriaca Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 3 hours ago, Ninja-Bear said: Wcw43921 thanks but I’m dealing with young kids :). Inspired by Sundown’s background, I think what I might do is have a villain of the week. They are created by VIPER’s man mutation project. (And i’ll use the random mutant generator from the mutant files) Well, that is how shows like Sailor Moon do things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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