Stunned without losing STUN?

[JackValhalla]

I haven't seen anyone here mention suppress.

 

Suppress STUN, cannot be maintained (-1/2)?

 

Base Suppress is 5pts per, so normal campaign limits give you 10-12d6. Applies against Power Defense that is normally fairly low. For one phase, their STUN drops by 30-40 pts, which will trigger a CON stun in all but the hardiest opponents. And at the end of that phase, their STUN shoots back up to normal value. It acts like STUN damage, until it doesn't. 

 

Suppress is ranged by default, 1 END per 2d6, normal attack roll, and perfect for this sort of situation.

[Christopher R Taylor]

Suppress was folded into Drain in 6th edition and turned into a giant block of stats to build, and doesn't exactly work the same any longer anyway.  Probably why its not being brought up.

 

In my opinion it was an error to do so.

[Hyper-Man]

Suppress is from 5e. 6e eliminated that option (edit-as a separate power. It's now a subset of drain). FWIW one of the links I posted up thread includes my version of tazer shotgun shells for both 5e (using suppress) and 6e (using the stunning option from the 6e advanced players guide 1).

[ghost-angel]

Suppress isn't eliminated from 6E, it's reconfigured as a type of Drain.

[Hyper-Man]

2 hours ago, ghost-angel said:

Suppress isn't eliminated from 6E, it's reconfigured as a type of Drain.

 

Ok, poor choice of words. But like Gliding it no longer has its own power write up and has been relegated to being a subset of another power.

 

And if I recall correctly, Regeneration was a separate power in 4e but was eliminated as a full power in 5e that could be rebuilt using Healing plus Advantages. 6e added Regeneration back as a full separate power again.

[JackValhalla]

I keep forgetting that.

 

Fifth is where I did the vast majority of my work and never converted over. For better or worse, 6thEd basically doesn't exist in my mind.

[Lucius]

So how about a Drain STUN with Limitation: Points Recover Instantly?

 

Lucius Alexander

 

The palindromedary thinks that's another stunning idea

[dsatow]

7 hours ago, Lucius said:

So how about a Drain STUN with Limitation: Points Recover Instantly?

 

Lucius Alexander

 

The palindromedary thinks that's another stunning idea

 

The only problem, IIRC, is a rule that says if a stunned target recovers all their stun from the attack that made the target stunned, they become unstunned.  I can't quote the page number but I do remember reading it somewhere (one of the books or from Steve's response).

[Ninja-Bear]

I really like the Presence Attack version. Seems the most simplistic.

[Gauntlet]

I usually have done it as simply a limitation, "For Stunning Only, Target Takes no Actual STUN Damage, -1/2".

[Christopher R Taylor]

I miss the palindromedary

 

Also in 6th edition in the Advanced Player Guide I i think, it has a Stunning option for Change Environment, you can hit someone with it and it stuns them unless they make a successful CON roll.  The only problem I have with the build is that you stay stunned until you make a breakout roll which I think violates the basic concept of stunning.  CON Roll penalties are pretty cheap to stack on.

Edited March 9 by Christopher R Taylor

[Hugh Neilson]

Unless I misrecall, the CE itself has to be ongoing for the "being stunned" effect to be ongoing.  That's a lot like taking continuous damage.

[Tech]

On 2/15/2018 at 3:49 PM, RDU Neil said:

 

This is really where I want to go with this... as the "Stunned" effect I'm most interested in is basically the results of a flash bang type of attack. Rattles the brain, makes you a bit incoherent as you need to shake it off, but not really knocking you out. It really is what zslane posted above... an attack that has a "Stunned" as its effect, with a Stat roll to counter, -1 to Stat roll for every +5 points. Essentially an attack where your CON or EGO were the defense.

 

Totally think that is the way to go... so with that in mind... I'd ask "How is this potentially broken, abusable, and/or violates some core tenant of Hero, would create weird scenarios, etc. more than any other power or build?"  On the surface it seems pretty good. Would affect normals and lower CON/EGO characters, but would have little to no effect on supers who have very high stats, unless you spent a lot of points on it, and even then, all your getting is a 1/2 DCV and one lost action, which is what an Entangle gets you, but this goes away even if you miss the original role.

 

Seems quite tame compared to how some attacks could be abused, and gets right to the heart of what we are trying to simulate.

 

I like it.

 I wouldn't use a Flash attack - you can still use other senses to 'see' your opponent and it doesn't stop them from actually attacking. I'd go with what cassandra said: Entangle, takes no damage, then use Con to break out, not Str.

 

 Abuse - it's one thing for a storywriter to use it, quite another to be on the receiving end of it in a game. We already came up with a Stun Advantage  and it's rarely used because players don't care for it; this concept would probably not be received well. 
 

 

 

Edited March 14 by Tech

[Doc Democracy]

There was the Mental paralysis power in third edition I think.  My players hated it.  If they got the hint a villain had that power, they became priority number one - every attack on every action on that villain until he (or she) was no longer moving....

[Gauntlet]

It was in 5th Edition as well and while it is expensive it easily could take a non-mentalist out pretty much permanently.

[Christopher R Taylor]

Yeah you can build it with entangle in 6th edition as well.  Its a nasty effective power on most player characters.  Mind you its not really stunning, but it can simulate that with instant.