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How to build a bite attack for a snake

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Hi everyone,

 

I am building a template for a serpentfolk type creature.  Essentially it has the body and tail of a snake with no back legs.  It is the size of a human more or less and has two humanoid arms.  It can stand coiling up its body or crawl on the ground as a snake does.  The arms are not needed for locomotion.  It has the head of a snake with fangs that are poisonous and I am giving it a constriction attack.

 

To simulate the constriction attack I was thinking of creating an Instinctual Snake Martial Arts.  The main move is Grab Five Limbs (2+3) +10 STR (+2) and -1 OCV -1 DCV (-2) for five points.  I also will add a Martial Escape that ups DCV, a Martial Block, defined as the coils of the body deflecting the momentum of the strike and a Strike, a quick STR strike.  To up the constriction ability I will buy a HTH attack linked to the Squeeze effect of a Grab i.e. not with Slam or Throw just squeeze that does extra damage to the target being grabbed when the creature constricts with its body or squeezes.

 

This I think will work well to cover what I want and I have a bite attack d6+1 KA, Penetrating +1/2A reduced Stun damage -1 (-1/4L) AVAD normal PD (-1/2L).  I also bought it inaccurate -1/4L to reflect difficulty targeting the bite attack.  The point of the bite is that there will be a poison linked to it that requires one body be done to a target i.e. the poison has to get into the bloodstream.  This iI can figure out a well.

 

The thing I am trying to determine is how do I get the bite attack to be made while constricting since that is another attack.  The only thing I can think is to buy the bite attack with a trigger that is linked to the Grab as a 0 phase action the creature can bite while constricting on the same phase as one action.   Note the trigger is linked and not the attack meaning that another attack roll must be made.  Not sure how to do that.

 

The last thing is I want CSL in the bite attack (say 12 points or +6 to the roll) that are only usable when attempting to bite a target that is helpless due to a grab to counteract the inaccurate so I guess this equates to a +3 effective addition to the to hit roll on a grabbed target.

 

What do you think?

 

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Can't be sure, because I am lack confidence in how much I know about the HERO System, but maybe just have them use the Multiple Attack maneuver when they want to grab (attack one) and bite (attack two). Both would be at -2, but i would think 2 Penalty Skill Levels specifically for covering that would make it work?

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Instead of HA for squeezing just buy extra strength with limit only to squeeze. As for squeezing and biting I know I asked about something similar with elastic characters. Ie using whole body to coil around target. Iirc, the easiest would be to buy extra limbs with limit only to coil. You are just using the mechanical effect of extra limb to be able to hold your target and hit with another limb. Also I believe another way would be to buy clinging UAA.

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You can use multiple attack rules (as I recall you cannot use penalty levels to remove the OCV penalty from a multiple attack, incidentally) but usually for snakes the coil, get good and tight and then maybe bite, so its not a combo.  I recommend extra strength limited for the grab as well.


However, using two martial arts attacks at the same time is called a Combined Attack and has different rules (it doesn't suffer most of the penalties).  This is where things get a bit confusing, for me at least:

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Using two or more powers or similar abilities (but not Combat/Martial Maneuvers or the like) once against a single target isn’t a Multiple Attack. It’s a Combined Attack, and counts as type of Strike. Therefore it has no OCV penalty, doesn’t halve the attacker’s DCV, and doesn’t take a Full Phase to perform. [HSR 6, page 74]

 

Multiple Attacks are defined primarily as being against multiple targets, or using a single attack multiple times (in some cases).

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(Using two such powers multiple times against a single target, or against multiple targets, is a Multiple Attack and subject to all Multiple Attack rules.)  

 

For example, suppose a military robot in a Science Fiction campaign has a pulson blaster (Blast 8d6) built into its right hand and a laser (RKA 2d6, Armor Piercing) built into its left. If it fires each of them once against a single target, that’s a Combined Attack, performed as a standard Attack Action with +0 OCV, +0 DCV modifiers.

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, Ninja-Bear said:

IAlso I believe another way would be to buy clinging UAA.

 

Why UAA?  After all, its just the viper clinging to the target.

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17 minutes ago, Ninja-Bear said:

Because you are affecting a target.

 

I think you can cling to another character without making another character cling to you.  The second paragraph of clinging on 6e1p182 seems to indicate that a person with clinging can cling to another person.  If that's true, why does the person need to make it usable against another.  The person could just cling to the target rather than making the target cling to him.

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On ‎3‎/‎5‎/‎2018 at 9:36 AM, Christopher R Taylor said:

You can use multiple attack rules (as I recall you cannot use penalty levels to remove the OCV penalty from a multiple attack, incidentally) but usually for snakes the coil, get good and tight and then maybe bite, so its not a combo.  I recommend extra strength limited for the grab as well.


However, using two martial arts attacks at the same time is called a Combined Attack and has different rules (it doesn't suffer most of the penalties).  This is where things get a bit confusing, for me at least:

 

Multiple Attacks are defined primarily as being against multiple targets, or using a single attack multiple times (in some cases).

 

 

 

Hmmm..... I am kind of not seeing the bite attack as part of the martial arts.  I want the character to be less likely to hit with it hence the inaccurate limitation to halve OCV with the attack.

 

The whole point is the character has to grab and hold his victim first then if he is successful he can attempt the bite which now gets the extra CSL.  The trigger was necessary only because from what I read you could only make one attack on your phase.  But multiple attack might work.  The trigger is bought as a naked advantage so that it does not have to be applied.

 

As to the extra STR for the squeeze.  I want the constriction to do extra damage but not increase the STR for holding om.  This way the character gets a chance to break out.

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