RDU Neil Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 43 minutes ago, Chris Goodwin said: I played a ninja (it was the 80's, don't judge) with Karate from DI, so I asked the GM, who chuckled at my kewl-ninja-wanna-be-ness but said yes, I can do that. As for this... uhm... who DIDN'T playa ninja in the '80s? I mean... who doesn't play ninja's now? Ninja's are freakin' awesome. Seriously, one of the characters in my very deadly serious, modern campaign of guns and martial arts and X-files weirdness plays a ninja. A very traditional ninja, with very traditional ninja skills, and a very traditional silenced 9mm pistol. Chris Goodwin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 19 minutes ago, RDU Neil said: Perhaps it was that I always wanted my Champs campaign to actually do away with most comic book tropes (or at least question them) and move more into the "people with powers in a chaotic, dangerous world" type of campaign. On the surface, you had costumes and code names, but wrestling with issues of the law and vigilantism, killing or not, how to use your power to change society, not just beat up bad guys... what were the ramifications for normal in a world of supers, etc. Those things were essential to the game, and I don't think could have been done with Champions as it was originally envisioned, that enforced tropes like secret id's, DNPCs, etc. These are the sorts of things Ron Edwards got out of first-gen Champions! And in fact is what he's optimizing Champions Now for. (Boldface mine.) Brian Stanfield and Starshield 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, RDU Neil said: As for this... uhm... who DIDN'T playa ninja in the '80s? I mean... who doesn't play ninja's now? Ninja's are freakin' awesome. Seriously, one of the characters in my very deadly serious, modern campaign of guns and martial arts and X-files weirdness plays a ninja. A very traditional ninja, with very traditional ninja skills, and a very traditional silenced 9mm pistol. ? And maybe points up assumption clash a bit. ? The campaign was intended to be fairly historical Japan (with the addition of magic, of course); the GM very patiently explained to me about the historicity (or lack thereof) of ninja, and the problems my character would be facing in the campaign (namely, being a hired killer of the eta social class), but he let me go for it. I played that character for the first arc of the campaign. (Sometimes dice just work out, to the point that in the final session of that arc I took out a lieutenant-type with a Karate punch, critical hit, to the head, and shortly thereafter I died holding a position. I felt it was a very worthy death.) Starshield 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDU Neil Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Chris Goodwin said: These are the sorts of things Ron Edwards got out of first-gen Champions! And in fact is what he's optimizing Champions Now for. (Boldface mine.) I read one blog post by Ron about how he always loved the Mind Games supplement, because it didn't proscribe good vs. bad, etc., but gave you a set of interesting characters to role play against that was driven by "play" rather than set expected outcomes. He seemed to imply that other 4th Edition supplements DID proscribe these things... which I never found. The Zodiac supplement, the Olympians supplement, Sanctuary, etc. Later, all the Dark Champs/Hudson City stuff, etc. There were so many great characters and settings that could be interpreted in so many ways, and didn't enforce stereotypical play. I never felt 4th Edition every fell into the... taken to the extreme... White Wolf trap, or the era of D&D supplements that had to be played in order, and one adventure had to follow another, etc. I'm just not sure what was found by you and Ron in 4th that made it not work... as all the things I was trying to do with Champs finally came to fruition with 4th Ed. Brian Stanfield 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDU Neil Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 the Kickstarter just broke 19k! Chris Goodwin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 I posted a link to it from Reddit about an hour ago... it seems like every time I click over to it the dial spins upward now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 1 hour ago, RDU Neil said: I mean... who doesn't play ninja's now? Ninja's are freakin' awesome. but not as awesome as they were in the eighties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDU Neil Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 1 minute ago, dmjalund said: but not as awesome as they were in the eighties What is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 Just now, RDU Neil said: What is? ninjas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDU Neil Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 Just now, dmjalund said: ninjas Hah! I meant... "What is as awesome as it was in the '80s!? Nothing!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 There's no such thing as ninj Brian Stanfield 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gallandro Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 Only $300 more to go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gallandro Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 JUST FUNDED! WOOT! assault, RDU Neil and Chris Goodwin 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 Woot! Now I have to decide on the "One solid bit of content about superheroes and/or villains One solid bit of genre specification, implying a fictional style and specific types of problems, including the location of play" for my playtest game. All I've got at the moment is "not Grimdark". gallandro, Chris Goodwin and MattyHelms23 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incrdbil Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 Well, I can only hope this somehow turns out positive for the game, or at the least doesn't do any harm. Ninja-Bear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 hour ago, incrdbil said: Well, I can only hope this somehow turns out positive for the game, or at the least doesn't do any harm. Do you seriously think Jason would have gone for this if he thought it would harm the game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incrdbil Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, Chris Goodwin said: Do you seriously think Jason would have gone for this if he thought it would harm the game? No, not at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, incrdbil said: No, not at all. Then what are you worried about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incrdbil Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, Chris Goodwin said: Then what are you worried about? Confusion in the market. Misinformation travels faster than fact a thousand times. Some may think this is the new Champions, that 6e is being dropped. . Division in the player base fragmenting sales; there's already those refusing to advance to new product nightstick to older stuff out of nostalgia, fragmenting the potential ability to sell new product. I can understand a pure nostalgia product. But if you really want to attract new players, pushing a newer, nicer, newbie friendly version of Champions Complete is the way to go, instead of this diversion back to these rules which are just old and outdated, ( not intrinsically better (or really that much simpler) at reflecting the superhero genre. Brian Stanfield, Ninja-Bear and Cantriped 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I keep thinking that whatever Ron Edwards wants to do with Champions Now, why couldn’t he have done with CC? Sure figureds is out but really if the game is less about the mechanic and more on playing then going back to 3e is a bogus argument. Now Jason Walters said that Champions Now can be easier to learn for younger kids. Great! Again why couldn’t that have been done (as supplement) for CC? We preach how Hero System can be changed to have the game YOU want. Well apparently it can’t. Cantriped, lemming and incrdbil 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 I still wish them good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incrdbil Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Ninja-Bear said: I keep thinking that whatever Ron Edwards wants to do with Champions Now, why couldn’t he have done with CC? Sure figureds is out but really if the game is less about the mechanic and more on playing then going back to 3e is a bogus argument. Now Jason Walters said that Champions Now can be easier to learn for younger kids. Great! Again why couldn’t that have been done (as supplement) for CC? We preach how Hero System can be changed to have the game YOU want. Well apparently it can’t. Exactly. Thanks for saying it better than I did. Cantriped 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randian Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 When the funding announcement was emailed they admitted the Champions 3E, Champions II, and Champions III pdfs they're including are scans. I'm sure many of us have seen bootleg scans of books, and their quality usually leaves a lot to be desired: misaligned pages, fuzzy or out of focus images, and of course massive size. I am quite disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Goodwin Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 44 minutes ago, randian said: When the funding announcement was emailed they admitted the Champions 3E, Champions II, and Champions III pdfs they're including are scans. I'm sure many of us have seen bootleg scans of books, and their quality usually leaves a lot to be desired: misaligned pages, fuzzy or out of focus images, and of course massive size. I am quite disappointed. Well... they are going on 35 year old books... it's not like anyone has Adobe files for them sitting around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Spence getting to what you said, about product in stores. That is a ymmv thing in some regards. Many years ago when fifth was new edition, I went to my FLGS and he had just about every fifth ed book and was surprised because I was the only one to have bought one. Fifth ed rev to be exact. This was in Erie, PA. Now I live in Harrisburg, PA and the only reason that I have heard of Gumshoe is because of this thread. I haven’t seen it in FLGS. And speaking of FLGS in this area, it’s pretty much a dessert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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