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I heartily agree. Militant feminism has actually become a frequent talking point for the "men's rights" faction of society, and something of an embarrassment for contemporary feminists, men and women alike. But hey, any game group has a right to use whatever concept they like. And a lot would depend on how it's executed.

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Apart from the History/Background of Gremlin in Classic Enemies, there's only a couple of sentences in 4th Ed Champions Universe about WITCH.

 

My own supposition about WITCH was that they weren't like all the other supervillain organizations.  No fancy uniforms.  No high-tech blaster weapons.  No VTOL troop carriers.  No ranks, or chain of command.  They are organized in a cellular structure, with each cell capable of independent operation.  They are thoroughly covert, using second-hand stores and other such low-key businesses as their safe houses and headquarters.

 

They do have supervillains as part of the organization--

 

The Matriarch--Founder of WITCH, and its guiding force with regards to philosophy and operations.  Quite possibly the world's most powerful and versatile telekinetic.  Determined to see WITCH fulfill its ultimate goal--the eradication of men from the human race.

 

Doctor Dynamite--Possessing superhuman strength and Impervious to any physical injury, she wears a harness loaded with powerful shaped charges capable of generating tremendous explosions that she can direct as needed.

 

Hatchet Job--Former PRIMUS agent who was turned down for Silver Avenger status.  She broke into PRIMUS's labs and took the Silver Avenger drugs herself, without physicians monitoring the procedure or waiting the recommended intervals between injections.  While she became physically enhanced to the level of a Silver Avenger, her aggression levels increased as well.  While she does carry guns and knows how to use them, her favored weapons are twin hatchets which she can use as melee or throwing weapons.

 

Fire Blossom--A powerful pyrokinetic who can also teleport herself and other by transforming into fire.  Her powers came from an otherworldly being who offered them to her so she could protect herself and her son from her ex-husband--in exchange for her "essential being."

 

Gigantua--Twelve feet tall and built like a sumo wrestler, with strength and density to match.  Was a victim of VIPER scientists trying to recreate the process that created Grond.  She managed to retain her intelligence, but the permanent increase to her size and weight left her angry and hateful.

 

They also use other supervillainesses as needed, except for those who have a Code Against Killing.

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On 3/12/2021 at 11:50 AM, steriaca said:

Wish I had something more concrete for WITCH beyond being mentioned in the origin of Gremlin...

 

That's about all I know of them as well

18 hours ago, steriaca said:

Thanks to taxes I bought Forgotten Enimies 5-8.

I appreciate it too

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Let's see what we do know about WITCH.

 

1) They are another criminal group, like VIPER and DEMON.

 

2) They are not as public a group. They don't exactly stand out like VIPER and DEMON.

 

3) It appears that all the members are female. 

 

4) The 'big plan' seems to be the destruction of 'the men's world', and to replace it with 'the women's world'. Exactly what and how is unknown. 

 

5) With Gremlin we know there is at least one supervillain associated with WITCH. There of course can be more.

 

This is my idea of the hiarcey of WITCH.

 

Leader: Obaba ("honored hag").

Sub-Leaders: Baba or Grandmother.

"Haunt" Leaders: Mothers.

Superagents: Aunts (Aunties).

Agents: Sisters.

Male Supporters of The Cause: "Warlocks".

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7 hours ago, steriaca said:

Let's see what we do know about WITCH.

 

1) They are another criminal group, like VIPER and DEMON.

 

2) They are not as public a group. They don't exactly stand out like VIPER and DEMON.

 

3) It appears that all the members are female. 

 

4) The 'big plan' seems to be the destruction of 'the men's world', and to replace it with 'the women's world'. Exactly what and how is unknown. 

 

5) With Gremlin we know there is at least one supervillain associated with WITCH. There of course can be more.

 

This is my idea of the hiarcey of WITCH.

 

Leader: Obaba ("honored hag").

Sub-Leaders: Baba or Grandmother.

"Haunt" Leaders: Mothers.

Superagents: Aunts (Aunties).

Agents: Sisters.

Male Supporters of The Cause: "Warlocks".

 

I'm sorry, but that all just seems a little too much like an all-female version of VIPER.  To my mind, the leader(s) of WITCH--in my conception, The Matriarch--would see such paramilitary organizations as tools of patriarchy, and WITCH is determined to eradicate patriarchy in all its forms.  Which brings me to this point--

 

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Male Supporters of The Cause: "Warlocks".

 

Not Happening.  As far as WITCH is concerned, men are THE ENEMY, full stop, and must be completely eradicated from humanity in order to restore the planet to peace and harmony.  Men may be used as dupes in order to to secure essential resources (by WITCH members pretending to represent someone else) but otherwise, "the only good man--is a DEAD man!"  This also applies to transgenders--WITCH is unapologetically, relentlessly TERF.

 

Hope that helps

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43 minutes ago, wcw43921 said:

Not Happening.  As far as WITCH is concerned, men are THE ENEMY, full stop, and must be completely eradicated from humanity in order to restore the planet to peace and harmony.  Men may be used as dupes in order to to secure essential resources (by WITCH members pretending to represent someone else) but otherwise, "the only good man--is a DEAD man!"  This also applies to transgenders--WITCH is unapologetically, relentlessly TERF.

 

Hope that helps

The "Warlocks" are not actually a part of the group. They are whatever pore guy duped into being a money sponge, if they want to be or not. "Warlocks" are just another word for "victim" to the hierarchy.

 

As for being VIPER in skirts...well they DO have to defend themselves from their male criminal groups as well as law enforcement groups. Besides, one of the limitations is that they need to adapt to 'man's world' by copying it. We don't actually want WITCH to succeed, right? I mean, can you imagine the dead world it would be if every male is dead and only women remain? Without cloning of some kind the entire situation is a spiral into death. Which is an end gole for WITCH. ( the "WITCH Virus" which would either make all men who catch it unable to produce sperm or outright kill them.)

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It is safe to say that both me and wcw have two different views on what WITCH is and could be. Mine is "mimic the men" till the clone technically and men killing virus is ready. Mine is doomed to fail by design but keeps on chugging. wcw's view is actually more likely to succeed by changing society from behind the scenes by any way possible, and seems to only want to "flip the script", getting power for all females by reducing the power of the male controlled world.

 

I don't know if the end game of wcw's vision is the same as mine.

 

Nothing says both groups can't exist. In Marvel there was yellow AIM agents and blue AIM agents, as there was both yellow and blue versions of AIM. Prehaps there was a split between the group based on methods. 

 

But...considering how small the group should be, it is also possible to be two separate groups which came upon the same idea for a name. They can't merge because the end goal of each group and/or the way they go about it is so different.

 

So, talk about confusion from the outside world. 

 

(Of course, this can be solved easily by choosing one group over the other. Do you want "VIPER in skirts and focus on genetics" and doomed to fail, or a more secret enclave working on changing society from hiding?)

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It should be noted that WITCH and The Sisterhood (from Tigrr Paw Press) are definitely not the same organization. They do work together when there goles align, but are two different organizations. 

 

I just bought Gremlin and The Sisterhood from Drive-Thru RPG to get some thinking about WITCH. 

 

On second read, it appears that The Sisterhood is similar to wcw's view of WITCH. An organization for the reformation of the world's man centered society into a woman centered society. Nothing entirety wrong with that...except the fact that two groups have the same goal at the exact same way.

 

I'll use The Sisterhood for "good" feminism, and WITCH for "bad" feminism.

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On 3/14/2021 at 10:32 AM, steriaca said:

It should be noted that WITCH and The Sisterhood (from Tigrr Paw Press) are definitely not the same organization. They do work together when there goles align, but are two different organizations. 

No they are not the same group. The Sisterhood is a group of women I created a long time ago due to all the heroes in the playing group seemingly to all have the complication, disadvantage at the time, "Won't fight / harm a women". I figured a all women group would be a interesting concept.

 

On another note, I was talking with Jason and he has given me permission to write-up WITCH. I'm torn in what direction to take the group, I haven't decided if I'm sticking to the terrorist theme or more of a supernatural theme. This is what I have found out about the group, all is from the background of the villain Gremlin.

 

Linda Shane was not the prettiest girl in high school,
and a number of bad experiences with men drove her into the arms
of a radical female terrorist group called WITCH.

 

The WITCH organization is a loose alliance of a few radicals.
They believe that it is morally just for violence to be used against the
enemies of the woman's movement, be it bombing video stores that
stock pornography, terrorizing prominent politicians that are seen
as anti-woman's movement, etc. Legitimate women's groups
unanimously condemn WITCH, but WITCH doesn't care. WITCH
doesn't employ magic; the name represents what its members
believes is the pinacle of radical feminism; witches are persecuted
(as they believe they are), and are powerful enough to need no one
but themselves (WITCH condemns anyone who doesn't agree with
everything they believe).

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7 minutes ago, tiger said:

No they are not the same group. The Sisterhood is a group of women I created a long time ago due to all the heroes in the playing group seemingly to all have the complication, disadvantage at the time, "Won't fight / harm a women". I figured a all women group would be a interesting concept.

Yep I eventually bought The Sisterhood and Gremlin. And of course your correct in creating them. It got your players out of that funk of trying to find free points, didn't it?

7 minutes ago, tiger said:

 

On another note, I was talking with Jason and he has given me permission to write-up WITCH. I'm torn in what direction to take the group, I haven't decided if I'm sticking to the terrorist theme or more of a supernatural theme. This is what I have found out about the group, all is from the background of the villain Gremlin.

It depends on exactly what is needed in the campaign. I kinda like it as "some higher up members use magic as well as technology, but the day to day agents keep to their own hi-tech terrorism ways".

 

I love the idea of them working on the ultimate "men go sick and die" disease, along with making a way to clone women children so their can be a next generation. 

7 minutes ago, tiger said:

 

Linda Shane was not the prettiest girl in high school,
and a number of bad experiences with men drove her into the arms
of a radical female terrorist group called WITCH.

 

The WITCH organization is a loose alliance of a few radicals.
They believe that it is morally just for violence to be used against the
enemies of the woman's movement, be it bombing video stores that
stock pornography, terrorizing prominent politicians that are seen
as anti-woman's movement, etc. Legitimate women's groups
unanimously condemn WITCH, but WITCH doesn't care. WITCH
doesn't employ magic; the name represents what its members
believes is the pinacle of radical feminism; witches are persecuted
(as they believe they are), and are powerful enough to need no one
but themselves (WITCH condemns anyone who doesn't agree with
everything they believe).

 

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What should the acronym of WITCH stand for? I kinda like this one.

 

Women's (of course, this is basically a no men's club, a "She-Woman Man-Hater" club)

 

International (not entirely, but Canada and Mexico are considered another countries, and they might have a few branches in the middle east)

 

Terrorist (they are not only knitting quilts and swapping recipes, they are blowing up buildings also)

 

Coven (Coven has a mystic edge to it)

 

from Hell (tells others to back off, they are not going to play nice at all)

 

What's your choice?

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Some more things to bounce around. 

 

There cells are called Haunts. It is also the name of the headquarters. 

 

They might not be magic based, but they definitely use the image for great effects. There photon guns are in the shape of wands. They fly on 'broom' shape flight platforms (see first appearance Green Goblin). They dress in black and have "pointy hats". They have genetically modified black cats as "familiars" (haunt guards).

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Actually doesn't stand for anything by the description in Gremlin's write-up. More about how men burned witches and the whole anti-men thing

I leaning towards staying with the description given. A high tech terrorist organization with the command made of of women with special abilities. The powers would run the gambit of mutant, tech and supernatural. 

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2 hours ago, tiger said:

Actually doesn't stand for anything by the description in Gremlin's write-up. More about how men burned witches and the whole anti-men thing

I leaning towards staying with the description given. A high tech terrorist organization with the command made of of women with special abilities. The powers would run the gambit of mutant, tech and supernatural. 

Sounds good.

 

I always pictured the grunts in light bending cloaks, the afor mentioned "wand" guns, and such. But if they try to mimic the classic description of a witch is up to you.

 

Any helpful thoughts you think you need?

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