Starlord Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 Kawhi for DeRozan and others? While they seem to feel they need a big shakeup, IMO this would be a HORRIBLE move for the Raptors. As I previously pointed out, Kawhi has decided he wants LA and is willing lose $100 mil to get it. He is not Paul George, he will not re-sign with a city on the other side of the continent in a different country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 Kawhi and Green for DeRozan, Poetl and a protected 2019 pick. Spurs definitely won this cuz IMO Leonard will not stay and you don't even know what you're getting from him this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 yeah, I didn't think that the Spurs were going to trade him to LA for what LA wanted to give them. I was surprised they found a taker given the public clamoring. De Rozen, Poetl and a pick are pretty good considering. It will be interesting to see what Toronto does with Green. I kind of wonder what the Spurs had on Toronto... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grailknight Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 Toronto was desperate. The team they had was good enough to contend in the East but not to win it all. They were also capped out and were faced with being surpassed by Boston(easily) and Philadelphia. So they took a shot and they did improve the team enough to stay relevant for a year. And if they convince Kawhi to stay they are the clear winners. If not they clear Kawhi and Green's salaries off next year for free agency or can start the rebuild by using cap space for draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 I saw an article today saying that the big winner in the San Antonio-Toronto trade is...the Los Angeles Lakers! After Toronto's one year rental, they can sign Kawhi to a big contract pretty much unimpeded, pair him with LBJ, and challenge the Warriors for the next 3-4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted July 18, 2018 Report Share Posted July 18, 2018 The NBA Press always thinks the Lakers are the winners. I constantly hear them say that the NBA is better when the Lakers and Knicks are good. The Knicks haven't been good since I was in college. (ouch...I'm old). The Lakers as a franchise has been a destination for players seeking a title/Stardom (Wilt, Shaq, Dwight (*snicker*), Steve Nash, Karl Malone, Gary Payton) and it almost allows me to whine they're only good with prying talent to LA rather than actually drafting talent (but then there's Elgin, Magic, Kobe, Jerry West, James Worthy) I hate them and will always hate them, but I do respect Magic as a businessman and maybe he knows what he's doing. Brandon Ingram looked so much better his sophomore season it wasn't even funny. If Ball can improve and James can take a season off of relevance... There is a decen chance that a healthy and engaged Kawai Leonard can take Toronto to the finals. They didn't give up much of their young talent at all to get him. A trip to the Finals might actually convince him to stay in Toronto, depending on how excited he is to be Plan B to LeBron just to be in LA. Or! He could pout and the Raps trade him to the Clippers. Because spiting the Lakers seems like a hell of a lot of fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 The Knicks were somewhat good briefly in the late 90s (during the strike shortened year, I think) And we all know if the Lakers get to the playoffs, the refs will be their 6th man (Sacramento can attest to that) Biggest winner is SA, they get rid of a (alleged, if it makes everyone feel better to say) head-case, and got something back for him. (DeRozan is Leonard with much less defense, and a poorer jump shot. Poltl has potential, that draft pick given its protection probably wont amount to much) Toronto is all in now. And DeRozan, Lowry, Valanciunas, and Carroll (if he is still with the team?) all had pretty bloated contract if I remember (for what they were worth). So they either win or at least have some free space next year. Lakers win in the fact they don't lose anything, except a year. ANd they've done enough this year to at least carry the team into a 7/8 seed and get the youngsters acquainted with playoff atmosphere. Of course, the big loser in this will be either Kuzma or Ingram. If Leonard goes to Lakers next offseason, one of those 2's playing time will be somewhat limited. (barring some creative alignments, Leonard's defense can match well with most SGs, LeBron can line up at PG, since he is one on offense anyway. Most of the other vets they signed will get cleared out anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 Looking at internet comments: One comment: Will Kawhi now fake an ACL tear to fail the physical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 18 hours ago, Starlord said: Kawhi for DeRozan and others? While they seem to feel they need a big shakeup, IMO this would be a HORRIBLE move for the Raptors. As I previously pointed out, Kawhi has decided he wants LA and is willing lose $100 mil to get it. He is not Paul George, he will not re-sign with a city on the other side of the continent in a different country. I wouldn't say horrible, but it is a win now move. It was going to horrible for any non-LA team to make under those circumstances. Unfortunately, they are playing to be East champions (no reason to bother to try for World champion) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 What happens if Leonard refuses to play for the Raptors? Not that I actually see it happening, but it's fun to speculate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 He'll play, he just won't waste 100% effort on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 He won't get paid? I believe the team can fine him for every missed game/practice up to his $20million dollar salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 OKC has traded Noted Bad decision maker and horrible team mate Carmelo Anthony to the Atlanta Hawks for horrible team mate Dennis Schroder and Mike Muscala. The Hawks will waive Melo and the Rockets - Flush with guys of questionable team chemistry and willing do to the hard things - are hot on the trail to throw away last years nigh magical season and sign him. This has been your post-lunch hot take for the afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Wasn't there a time when Carmelo Anthony was a pretty good player, and not just a punchline? Or is my memory going out again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 8 hours ago, Enforcer84 said: OKC has traded Noted Bad decision maker and horrible team mate Carmelo Anthony to the Atlanta Hawks for horrible team mate Dennis Schroder and Mike Muscala. The Hawks will waive Melo and the Rockets - Flush with guys of questionable team chemistry and willing do to the hard things - are hot on the trail to throw away last years nigh magical season and sign him. This has been your post-lunch hot take for the afternoon. Like I said, I do think Carmelo could still be a valuable 6th man scoring specialist, off the bench, if his ego* could take it. But, since it wouldn't, he'll be Allen Iversoned out of the league. *and if the team in question would be willing to deal with his problems. Note: Where is Dwight Howard now? Maybe they could team up. 2nd Note: The Rockets aren't that team however, they seemed to be perfectly to Harden, Paul and a bunch of 3-and-Ders. Anthony doesn't do Ds. (Neither does Harden and one per team is enough) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 Michael porter JR gets second back surgery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 15 hours ago, Badger said: Like I said, I do think Carmelo could still be a valuable 6th man scoring specialist, off the bench, if his ego* could take it. But, since it wouldn't, he'll be Allen Iversoned out of the league. *and if the team in question would be willing to deal with his problems. Note: Where is Dwight Howard now? Maybe they could team up. 2nd Note: The Rockets aren't that team however, they seemed to be perfectly to Harden, Paul and a bunch of 3-and-Ders. Anthony doesn't do Ds. (Neither does Harden and one per team is enough) Dwight's in DC playing for the Wizards. yeah, I'm interested in the Rocket's season if they blow money on Melo (who due to egocentric limitations will not be a good teammate - I could be wrong, I doubt he's learned his lessons) and lose out Clint Capella it could be a garbage fire. Capella wanted significantly more than they offered him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer84 Posted July 20, 2018 Report Share Posted July 20, 2018 8 hours ago, Starlord said: Michael porter JR gets second back surgery I really want to feel bad for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 6 hours ago, Enforcer84 said: Dwight's in DC playing for the Wizards. yeah, I'm interested in the Rocket's season if they blow money on Melo (who due to egocentric limitations will not be a good teammate - I could be wrong, I doubt he's learned his lessons) and lose out Clint Capella it could be a garbage fire. Capella wanted significantly more than they offered him. THanks, I knew he had signed somewhere. Interestingly, Wall was bitching after the season they need a stretch big type, if I remember. Howard, not that. With Carmelo and Rockets, Harden and Paul are so ball dominant, their is barely enough touches for the both of them as is. Even, if he was a good teammate, he'd really only would fit on the bench (getting a decent amount of his playing with one or both getting a rest period-the ball tends to become stationary once it touches the hands of Caramel (never mentioned before but sometimes I do accidently read his name as such) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted July 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 I fail to see how trading for Kahwi makes any sense for Toronto, and especially trading the face of the franchise in DeRozean. The latter was set on being a Raptor for life until he was swapped for a one-year rental who might not be good for even that (I don't think he'll hold out for a trade to LA, but I have no doubt he will want out of Canada as soon as he can manage the feat). The Raptors swapped the core of the team for little to nothing. If I were the Lakers management, I would not wan Leonard under these circumstances. Maybe if he puts up a solid year in Toronto and shows he's willing to be a good teammate again, but right now they don't need that headache; They have headaches enough dealing with the Ball clan and trying to figure out how to get Lebron some help that's willing to play in his system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 Remember, several big free agents come available next year, the LAbrons aren't just pinning their hopes on Kawhi. As I said, the Raptors made a HORRIBLE move. They are seemingly on tilt - ditching the Coach of the Year and their best player for essentially nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 As long as the Maple Leafs have a decent season, nobody in Toronto will notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amorkca Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 Maple Leafs… Decent Season... ROFLMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 21, 2018 Report Share Posted July 21, 2018 7 hours ago, Michael Hopcroft said: I fail to see how trading for Kahwi makes any sense for Toronto, and especially trading the face of the franchise in DeRozean. The latter was set on being a Raptor for life until he was swapped for a one-year rental who might not be good for even that (I don't think he'll hold out for a trade to LA, but I have no doubt he will want out of Canada as soon as he can manage the feat). The Raptors swapped the core of the team for little to nothing. If I were the Lakers management, I would not wan Leonard under these circumstances. Maybe if he puts up a solid year in Toronto and shows he's willing to be a good teammate again, but right now they don't need that headache; They have headaches enough dealing with the Ball clan and trying to figure out how to get Lebron some help that's willing to play in his system. Yeah, it is a (likely futile) all or nothing bid for Toronto. THough, it probably helps them cap-wise after next year. Though it was a dirty move upon DeRozan. I'm betting he and Ujiri will not talk much with each other in their golden years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted July 22, 2018 Report Share Posted July 22, 2018 6 hours ago, Amorkca said: Maple Leafs… Decent Season... ROFLMAO Hey, it is at least theoretically possible.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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