Duke Bushido Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 Thanks, LL. 4 hours ago, tkdguy said: Thrawn was a quality villain. I wish Disney had used him, at least as inspiration, for the new trilogy. The villains we got instead were just so pathetic. The original written-by-the-creator (allegedly) series featured an empire of billions, wiped out and brought to a screeching halt when a bunch of teddy bears killed a hundred or so of them. Vader was impressive when I was in high school-- mostly the iron lung / James Earl Jones combo, I think. The Emperor, in light of the teddy bear thing, was shown to be about as effective as Voldemort (you know my feelings about a terrifying master villain who can't kill a baby or take out a high school student), suggesting that pathetic villains are part and parcel of Star Wars. I am not being funny: I love you guys, but at some point, you've got to accept that Star Wars was _never_ the art you remember it as. Grailknight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 Are there really still SW fans out there over 12 years old who think Ewoks taking out a legion of Stormtroopers was good writing and not just a weak attempt to sell toys? If so, I am not aware of them (not that I was looking too hard). I thought it was the primary reason why RotJ gets downgraded in most reviews of the original trilogy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 5 hours ago, Duke Bushido said: Thanks, LL. The original written-by-the-creator (allegedly) series featured an empire of billions, wiped out and brought to a screeching halt when a bunch of teddy bears killed a hundred or so of them. Vader was impressive when I was in high school-- mostly the iron lung / James Earl Jones combo, I think. The Emperor, in light of the teddy bear thing, was shown to be about as effective as Voldemort (you know my feelings about a terrifying master villain who can't kill a baby or take out a high school student), suggesting that pathetic villains are part and parcel of Star Wars. I am not being funny: I love you guys, but at some point, you've got to accept that Star Wars was _never_ the art you remember it as. Here's a collection of scenes displaying the awesomeness of Grand Admiral Thrawn. tkdguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 The Ewoks were supposed to be Wookies according to rumors. I don't how true that is after all this time. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Bushido Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 Even then: They took out three hundred of our guys. Oh no! We've only got a billion left! I guess they win.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 I always thought the Ewoks taking on the Stormtroopers was ludicrous, but the Stormtroopers come under the mook rule anyway. Having said all that, they still could have done better with the villains in the sequel. Kylo Ren whines and throws tantrums; hardly main villain material. General Hux was cartoonish and cliche. I thought he was going to burst a vein during his speech in The Force Awakens. Snoke just failed to impress. I know Palpatine returns in Rise of Skywalker, but I never watched the movie. The Last Jedi killed the sequels for me. Cancer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, tkdguy said: I always thought the Ewoks taking on the Stormtroopers was ludicrous, but the Stormtroopers come under the mook rule anyway. Having said all that, they still could have done better with the villains in the sequel. Kylo Ren whines and throws tantrums; hardly main villain material. General Hux was cartoonish and cliche. I thought he was going to burst a vein during his speech in The Force Awakens. Snoke just failed to impress. I know Palpatine returns in Rise of Skywalker, but I never watched the movie. The Last Jedi killed the sequels for me. Geez, spoilers! I never watched the movie either.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 My bad! Edit: This video seems to prove my point. There's a fair bit of profanity here, as well as other types of crudeness, so I won't embed the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnRP7SKzOgk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Duke Bushido said: Even then: They took out three hundred of our guys. Oh no! We've only got a billion left! I guess they win.... Well, they took out three hundred guys, allowing the rebels to take out the shield generator that protected the incomplete but armed second Death Star, which rebel ships then destroyed with the Emperor and his right-hand man on board. It's a domino thing. The aforementioned The Mandalorian series is set shortly after that battle, in which we see that the Empire, although thrown into chaos by those events, is far from defeated. But I'm with you that Ewoks were a silly move. I remember an interview with George Lucas in which he claimed the original plan was for the battle to take place on the home world of the Wookies, but he claimed Chewbacca had made them appear "too sophisticated" to be used like feral guerillas. But I concur with the assessment that the real reason was to sell cute cuddly toys to kids. archer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: Well, they took out three hundred guys, allowing the rebels to take out the shield generator that protected the incomplete but armed second Death Star, which rebel ships then destroyed with the Emperor and his right-hand man on board. It's a domino thing. The aforementioned The Mandalorian series is set shortly after that battle, in which we see that the Empire, although thrown into chaos by those events, is far from defeated. But I'm with you that Ewoks were a silly move. I remember an interview with George Lucas in which he claimed the original plan was for the battle to take place on the home world of the Wookies, but he claimed Chewbacca had made them appear "too sophisticated" to be used like feral guerillas. But I concur with the assessment that the real reason was to sell cute cuddly toys to kids. Yeah, it matters a lot how many hundreds of light years that your billion extra men are from the scene of the battle.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 31 minutes ago, tkdguy said: Kylo Ren whines and throws tantrums; hardly main villain material. > insert gratuitous remark about the former President here < aylwin13, tkdguy, wcw43921 and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 27 minutes ago, Pariah said: > insert gratuitous remark about the former President here < Not really wanting to see him in a Star Wars movie either.... tkdguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 He's more cut out for Dune. tkdguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 I dunno. Stick an orange wig on either Jabba the Hutt or Baron Harkonnen, I think both would work. aylwin13, tkdguy and Pariah 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Pariah said: > insert gratuitous remark about the former President here < Life imitates art yet again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Bushido Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 Lord Liaden, Certified, Ockham's Spoon and 1 other 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 In cricket, they don't deliberately throw at your head (which does happen in baseball). They do deliberately throw at your groin, admittedly on a bounce. In terms of likelihood of getting struck in each place ... Duke Bushido and tkdguy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Bushido Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 Thanks, Cancer. You ever wonder why people stopped being in love with Neil DeGrasse Tyson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 8 minutes ago, Duke Bushido said: Thanks, Cancer. You ever wonder why people stopped being in love with Neil DeGrasse Tyson? I figured it was just because so many people are against legalizing de grass. Duke Bushido 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cancer Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 My apologies; the "men only think with <what's attached to their crotch>" trope is a hot button of mine. Duke Bushido 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Bushido Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 Okay, let's try this one, then: https://i.imgur.com/V6wc1UU.mp4 Ockham's Spoon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Cancer said: My apologies; the "men only think with <what's attached to their crotch>" trope is a hot button of mine. I know right? It has only 75% of controlling shares at most. Duke Bushido 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjack Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 7 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: Well, they took out three hundred guys, allowing the rebels to take out the shield generator that protected the incomplete but armed second Death Star, which rebel ships then destroyed with the Emperor and his right-hand man on board. It's a domino thing. The aforementioned The Mandalorian series is set shortly after that battle, in which we see that the Empire, although thrown into chaos by those events, is far from defeated. But I'm with you that Ewoks were a silly move. I remember an interview with George Lucas in which he claimed the original plan was for the battle to take place on the home world of the Wookies, but he claimed Chewbacca had made them appear "too sophisticated" to be used like feral guerillas. But I concur with the assessment that the real reason was to sell cute cuddly toys to kids. The idea of the Wookiee’s (later Ewoks) taking on the Empire was an allegory for the Viet Cong defeating the U.S. in Vietnam. The lore is that George Lucas and Francis Ford Coppola being in U.S.C. Film School together had plans to tell the story each in his own way...George in Star Wars and Francis in Apocalypse Now. Whether that part is true I make no assurances of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 George Lucas has become rather known for his filmic history, um, revisionism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Bushido Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 12 hours ago, archer said: Yeah, it matters a lot how many hundreds of light years that your billion extra men are from the scene of the battle.... In a universe where a fighter- a ship with a tiny cockpit and no refrigerator- is all you need to hop from one end to the other? No; I dont really think it does make a difference. In an even slightly logical setting, it might make a difference, but Star Wars has never had one of those. Ever notice that all the stuff pointed out as proof that star wars is good doesnt actually come from Lucas or his films? Its the fanboys themselves, sinking the work into creating the justifications that it takes to make any sense out of it. My favorite was how overjoyed the fans were when right before selling it, Lucas announced "its all canon.' The fans were delighted, and I suspect its because to a person they held ob the backs of their mind 'cool; I can make it work the way I want and finally make sense out of it." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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