PamelaIsley Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 On page 252 of Champions 6E, they list Brick power sets. They show this power (and a lot of variations): Super-Tough Body: Resistant (+½) for 25 PD/ 25 ED. They list a cost of 25 points. I can't figure out what this is. If you put this in as Resistant Protection, it costs 90 75 points. Irconclad is built with a power like this that costs basically nothing. Does anyone know what they were trying to build here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome BODY (important!) Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 It's the Resistant advantage being applied to existing PD and ED. Ninja-Bear and Killer Shrike 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PamelaIsley Posted February 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 That makes sense I guess. The Brick template doesn't list PD and ED that high, but I see that you can add another template from the bottom to get it there. That is what was confusing me. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 There are two ways to get resistant defenses: a) buying Resistant PD/ED b) buying PD/ED, then buying the resistant advantage for those points Your case is B. You tried to math it like a case A. But if you add the cost of hte Defenses themself to it, you should get the same result. On 2/4/2019 at 4:42 PM, PamelaIsley said: Super-Tough Body: Resistant (+½) for 25 PD/ 25 ED. This is actually 25 PD, 25 ED and Resistant (+1/2) for 50 points of defenses. 3x25 or 75 Active Points. And it should be 50x1.5 = 75 Active Points for Resistant Protection as well (no idea where you got the 90 from). Note however: - both builds are viable. - both builds are similar but not quite the same. For example, they react differently to Drain or Aid rD/D. - there is no clear consesnsus when you should use one or the other. Vanilla books tend towards using "Resistant Defenses" for Armors you wear and "Defenses, Resistant (+1/2)" for things like skin. But even those books are not consistent in that regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PamelaIsley Posted February 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 I got to 90 by putting Hardened +1/4 in it. I had forgotten about that so my original post is misleading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbywolfe Posted February 5, 2019 Report Share Posted February 5, 2019 On 2/4/2019 at 11:02 AM, PamelaIsley said: That makes sense I guess. The Brick template doesn't list PD and ED that high, but I see that you can add another template from the bottom to get it there. That is what was confusing me. Thanks! It's not that you CAN add another template from the bottom, choosing one of those templates is part of using the character builder. The powers aren't designed to be used separately from the quick build and assume you will have the appropriate defenses to apply the Advantage to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja-Bear Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 Pamelaisley I remember first looking at CC and Resistant Protection And Resistant Advantage throwing me off because of the name similarity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 13 hours ago, Ninja-Bear said: Pamelaisley I remember first looking at CC and Resistant Protection And Resistant Advantage throwing me off because of the name similarity. Not to mention the functional similarity. And the price similarity. And the advantage similarities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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