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This may be most relevant to Hall of Heroes so posting here...

 

Can we request and implement edition filters on DTRPG? It would be nice to focus search results on an edition you're looking for.

 

Of course, the products will need to be updated to utilize that. Happy to volunteer a few hours to help with that as well...

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Humm....thinking about price points.

 

$1.00: Good for single villains and other short subjects less then five pages long. It won't break the bank of most people, and it is easy to figure out who gets how much per unit sold (as for tge Dropbox, writer $0.50, Drive-Through RPG $0.30, Hero Games $0.20, othoe I may have the DTRPG and Hero payment switched around).

 

$3.00: Good for short adventures. Akin to the original 4th edition adventures of days of old. I'm thinking between 30 to 60 pages, including maps and artwork.

 

$5.00: Good for longer adventures and for small sourcebooks (like, say, WITCH). Also good for small Enimies books. From 60 to 120 pages should do.

 

$10.00: This is for major adventures of an epic scale, medimum sourcebooks, and good size Enimies books.

 

$20.00: Your creating (whatever) Hero campaign books at this price.

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2 hours ago, steriaca said:

Humm....thinking about price points.

 

$1.00: Good for single villains and other short subjects less then five pages long. It won't break the bank of most people, and it is easy to figure out who gets how much per unit sold (as for tge Dropbox, writer $0.50, Drive-Through RPG $0.30, Hero Games $0.20, othoe I may have the DTRPG and Hero payment switched around).

 

$3.00: Good for short adventures. Akin to the original 4th edition adventures of days of old. I'm thinking between 30 to 60 pages, including maps and artwork.

 

$5.00: Good for longer adventures and for small sourcebooks (like, say, WITCH). Also good for small Enimies books. From 60 to 120 pages should do.

 

$10.00: This is for major adventures of an epic scale, medimum sourcebooks, and good size Enimies books.

 

$20.00: Your creating (whatever) Hero campaign books at this price.

Steriaca,

 

One concern I can think of is that DTRPG frequently runs sales from 25-50pct off (by frequently I mean 3-4 times a year) and some gamers only buy during those sales.

 

For comparison, Paizo's own pdf-only 32 page organized play adventures are $4 each, and only sold on their own website so there's no DTRPG cut.

 

Third-party adventures (standalone 58-62 pages) run about $8 on average for same.

 

I haven't published anything myself, but my gut tells me that authorial output is worth a little more than you suggest, maybe another $1-2 on each price, minimum.

 

While the profit percentages between author, Hero, and DTRPG are likely set in stone, I hope the asking price is up to the author, solely, and that an author can choose the "pay what you want" option if they are concerned about price points turning off customers.

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3 hours ago, steriaca said:

Humm....thinking about price points.

 

$1.00: Good for single villains and other short subjects less then five pages long. It won't break the bank of most people, and it is easy to figure out who gets how much per unit sold (as for tge Dropbox, writer $0.50, Drive-Through RPG $0.30, Hero Games $0.20, othoe I may have the DTRPG and Hero payment switched around).

 

$3.00: Good for short adventures. Akin to the original 4th edition adventures of days of old. I'm thinking between 30 to 60 pages, including maps and artwork.

 

$5.00: Good for longer adventures and for small sourcebooks (like, say, WITCH). Also good for small Enimies books. From 60 to 120 pages should do.

 

 

 

I have no experience buying fan made products off of DMsGuild or DTRPG or anything so I can't really know what price would be right, but if this is correct, then that is crazy. Any interest I had in contributing to the program is now over. 

 

$5.00 for a 60-120 page product? With layout and art? Considering that the writer/creators only get half that, $2.50. So for a 60 page book that only works out to $00.042 a page. so 4 cents a page? Really? Low price artists might charge $25 for a half-page picture. Assuming you ONLY have a half page worth of art, every 4 pages You would have to sell 160 copies, just to pay for art work alone (way more when you factor in cover art and more then one half page picture every 4 pages). 

 

At 120 pages for $5.00 you are only making $00.021 a page. 2 cents a page! You would need to sell probably 400+ copies before making any profit at all. 

 

By these prices (and as I said, I have no idea either way if right, wrong, normal, etc...) the only real product worth making are short 1-5 page projects. A 5 page product for $1 makes you 20 cents a page. that is 10 times the profit margin of a 120 page book. 10 times the profit margin for 1/24th the work. If you can sell a 2 page project for $1.00 you are making 50 cents a page. 25 times the profit margin of a 120 page book and doing 1/60th of the work. 

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As someone who has self-published on DTRPG (I have a stable of OSR products), I'd say your pricing is fairly low (beyond the $1 offering, which I agree with).

 

If I were getting only half through a program like this, instead of the usual 70%, my pricing would more likely be something like:

$1 for one pages

$5 for a short adventures

$9.99 for a long one/source book

$15 for a major adventure/enemies book

$20-30 for a campaign book.

 

In part this would depend on how much I can source the art for, pay someone to do the lay out (if I want something fancy) etc. 

 

As for DT sales, luckily the author gets to decide whether their products are included in those. I assume even under this program an author would still have that level of control?

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I got the impression that we set our own prices. That might not actually be the case. And I was guessing on the various price points.

 

I might stick with the points for myself, since my plans are bair bones, no frills version. No art. No maps. Just me and my mispellings.

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Oh, I assume we would set our own prices. I just felt yours were on the low end for the work involved. Now if your PDF is basically just a word Doc with little layout and no art, that's a bit different and I wouldn't expect to pay much for them. But the more work put into the final product the more I would charge at least. 

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Let me think of settings we could play in.

 

Official Settings:

Golden Age of Champions

Silver Age of Champions

Iron Age of Champions

(Modern Age of) Champions

Champions Beyond

Champions 3000 (I don't remember the official name)

Dark Champions/Dark Champions The Animated Series

 

Related Offical Settings

Strike Force

 

Unofficial Settings

Champions on the Range (Superheroes in the old west)

Champions 2050 (Champions one generation after the 2020 spell is casted)

Lucha Liberia Champions (wrestlers and superheros)

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