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6 hours ago, Doc Democracy said:

I think the danger is that the numbers have not dropped to close to zero.  You see how quickly it went from one death to LOTS.  if the virus is still in circulation then the infection rate could spike VERY quickly once distancing measures have gone into abeyance.

 

 

There's a reason its' called "explosive growth".  Because everything looks normal until it suddenly detonates in your face...

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Well, this turned into an interesting afternoon.

 

Had a package incoming...didn't expect it until tomorrow, honestly.  Lo and behold, mid-afternoon, doorbell rings.  Huh?  I do hear a small thump...hmmm.  Well.  That very much sounds like a package delivery.  Open door...why, yes, yes it is.  

 

What was curious is the delivery.  I'm looking out...it's a dark blue blue compact just pulling away.  Huh?  He goes down a couple doors as I watch...stops.  Guy gets out to repeat.  Yes, it's a USPS guy.  They've separated out the package stuff from the regular mail.  Different vehicles...it might've been an electric car, sure wasn't like the Jeep (or lookalike) that drops the mail at the communal box.

 

Not sure if this was related to Covid-19 and FAR more packages being moved, or a harbinger of separating package service from mail service...and potentially cutting back, I'm thinking, on the 6-day-a-week delivery for regular mail.  The former's certainly plausible, in that I've had a package arrive at 9:30, and some others in the area commented, as late as 10:30.  Mixing up the everyday mail and the packages isn't particularly efficient for either.

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2 hours ago, Old Man said:

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Yeah... I think I mentioned the two-week lag when posting the Chinese data.  It's nice to get confirmation that the lag estimate (at least) appears to be real.

 

Reproduction rate is only a guestimate at the moment I'm sure - they'll need more data for longer to actually get a better idea of how fast it's spreading.

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16 hours ago, Old Man said:

Still, they have a long way to go to catch up to the current world champion of coronavirus, which alone accounts for 1/3 of all coronavirus cases in the universe.

 

It seems beyond unlikely that we have 5% of the global population and 33% of the cases.

 

We might have 33% of the reported cases, but I feel VERY confident that countries that have the other 95% of the global population have WAY more cases.  They just don't have them tested, confirmed and reported.

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1 hour ago, ScottishFox said:

 

It seems beyond unlikely that we have 5% of the global population and 33% of the cases.

 

We might have 33% of the reported cases, but I feel VERY confident that countries that have the other 95% of the global population have WAY more cases.  They just don't have them tested, confirmed and reported.

 

That's why I don't measure against world numbers.  China?  Who doesn't think they're deliberately not reporting?  India, Brazil?  Kinda doubt they'd deliberately under-report, but their detection capabilities are suspect at best.  If you take out those 3 countries, that's 3 billion people.  Leaves ~ 4.8 billion, so the US is about 7%.

If we stick with western Europe...Spain, italy, France, Germany, and the UK have combined populations of ~ 317M, versus the US' 330M.  So very comparable.  The US still has about 1/3 more cases than all 5 of them...but about 1/3 fewer deaths.  Altho death statistics are nowhere near solid;  I think expert consensus (by real experts, not political appointee hacks) is that deaths are probably significantly undercounted.  There's a growing body of evidence that morbidity rates in several places are showing serious spikes far beyond what can be accounted for by attributed CV deaths.

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3 minutes ago, tkdguy said:

 

And this is why we're going to have such a rough time.

 

Throwing the party in the first place...come on.  But the disregard to show up, with a cough, approaches callousness.  We don't know how often this happens, but it takes so few moronic incidents like this to trigger a local outburst whose dimensions will be hard to predict.

 

Not everyone is an utter jackass;  darn few people are.  That's the attendee with the cough.  At best, things were gonna be bumper-to-bumper rush hour traffic...but there's too many willful, self-centered, unthinking idiots to make this less than a Tour de France peloton navigating the cobblestones around Roubaix...in the rain.

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3 hours ago, ScottishFox said:

 

It seems beyond unlikely that we have 5% of the global population and 33% of the cases.

 

We might have 33% of the reported cases, but I feel VERY confident that countries that have the other 95% of the global population have WAY more cases.  They just don't have them tested, confirmed and reported.

 

That's just our reported cases, too. It's not like this country is leading the world in tests conducted per capita.

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10 hours ago, ScottishFox said:

 

It seems beyond unlikely that we have 5% of the global population and 33% of the cases.

 

We might have 33% of the reported cases, but I feel VERY confident that countries that have the other 95% of the global population have WAY more cases.  They just don't have them tested, confirmed and reported.

 

I feel it is very unlikely that the virus simply spreads through the atmosphere, and no actions taken by anyone have any impact.  Lety's take a look at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

All figures are per 1 million population

 

US:  4,188 cases, 247 deaths, 29,063 tests

 

Spain 5,765 cases, 576 deaths, 52,781 tests.  Way more tests; somewhat more cases

 

UK 3,286 cases, 472 deaths, 28,309 tests - marginally less tests, considerably fewer cases

 

Germany 2,060 cases (less than half US), 91 deaths, 32,891 tests  - slightly more testing, far less cases - and way more efforts to slow the spread of the virus.  Should that tell us anything?

 

Canada 1,854 cases, 132 deaths, 30,099 tests - marginally more testing, far less cases - and greater efforts to slow the spread of the virus.  Should that tell us something?

 

I didn't pick countries you feel are more likely to cover up the spread of COVID than the US is, did I?  Countries testing on a comparable leve who have taken more efforts to reduce the spread of the virus are seeing less cases and less deaths.  And that includes the disastrous issues in Canadian long-term care facilities.

 

The only plausible conclusion, I assume, is that the US is the sole nation on earth reporting their results honestly.  Or is there a remote possibility that there is some other explanation?

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1 hour ago, Hugh Neilson said:

The only plausible conclusion, I assume, is that the US is the sole nation on earth reporting their results honestly.  Or is there a remote possibility that there is some other explanation?

 

Is it possible the two countries with 8.3x the US population are under-reporting their cases and/or lack the testing resources to test their billion plus person populations?

 

It's one thing to suggest that American misbehavior has resulted in above-average per capita cases and another to just blanketly accept that it is more than 6x the global average.

 

Maybe you just accept at face value that the USA has 16x as many cases as China which has 4x the population and was the source of the outbreak.  Seems unlikely - to put it very mildly.

 

Maybe you also believe that the USA has 19x as many cases as India which also has 4x the population and is geographically adjacent to the source of the outbreak.

 

I don't accept that Americans are pulling down 64x or 76x the per capita case-load of these two global giants.

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21 minutes ago, ScottishFox said:

 

Is it possible the two countries with 8.3x the US population are under-reporting their cases and/or lack the testing resources to test their billion plus person populations?

 

It's one thing to suggest that American misbehavior has resulted in above-average per capita cases and another to just blanketly accept that it is more than 6x the global average.

 

Maybe you just accept at face value that the USA has 16x as many cases as China which has 4x the population and was the source of the outbreak.  Seems unlikely - to put it very mildly.

 

Maybe you also believe that the USA has 19x as many cases as India which also has 4x the population and is geographically adjacent to the source of the outbreak.

 

I don't accept that Americans are pulling down 64x or 76x the per capita case-load of these two global giants.

 

What's your point?

 

Is there a massive belief that China is lying?  Yes.

Does India have a serious issue with medical infrastructure?  Yes.

Could these 2 countries have far more cases?  Yes.

 

We get that, so what's your point?  What sorts of conclusions are you striving for?  

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