TrickstaPriest Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 One of my more recent friends is likely sick with it, and has pneumonia. Given his health was bad until recently, I have no idea where this will leave him. Michael Hopcroft and ScottishFox 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, Pariah said: In the immortal words of Asia, only time will tell. Let's just hope the appropriate Asia song doesn't become Sole Survivor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 That's very clever. Well played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 30, 2020 Report Share Posted June 30, 2020 Now I'm getting Planet of the Apes flashbacks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 <sigh> from NYT: Quote WASHINGTON — The government’s top infectious disease expert said on Tuesday that the rate of new coronavirus infections could more than double to 100,000 a day if current outbreaks were not contained, warning that the virus’s march across the South and the West “puts the entire country at risk.” Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, offered the grim prediction while testifying on Capitol Hill, telling senators that no region of the country is safe from the virus’s resurgence. The number of new cases in the United States has shot up by 80 percent in the past two weeks, according to a New York Times database, with new hot spots flaring far from the Sun Belt epicenters. Article shouldn't be paywalled: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/us/politics/fauci-coronavirus.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage New York added 8 more states to the quarantine list...now at 16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 30 minutes ago, unclevlad said: New York added 8 more states to the quarantine list...now at 16. Is Oregon one of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 4 hours ago, TrickstaPriest said: One of my more recent friends is likely sick with it, and has pneumonia. Given his health was bad until recently, I have no idea where this will leave him. Damn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 The pizza place I go to just shut down due to staffing problems. I really think their note should say if due to coronavirus positive test or something so their customers like me would know whether we need to get checked or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, Michael Hopcroft said: Is Oregon one of them? No, but Nevada is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 People from my church have dropped by with supplies during my quarantine. They were unconcerned about my possibly passing on the virus, but took the necessary precautions anyway. I shoujld get my test results tomorrow or the next day. Then I will find out how much longer I will need ot be in full quarantine. It would not surprise me if the Governor in Oregon didn't roll back some of the reopening moves, or at the very least exhort people to stay at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, Michael Hopcroft said: It would not surprise me if the Governor in Oregon didn't roll back some of the reopening moves, or at the very least exhort people to stay at home. Not sure why. Worldometers says Oregon had 171 new cases; that's about 1 case for every 25,000 people in the state. Oklahoma's population is pretty close; they had 585. I'll be the first to agree with a tight reopening approach is better than a loose one, but those numbers just aren't that bad. I'm talking state-level; if there are local areas that are being hit harder, well of course that's different. We aren't going to get new case counts down to 0. We have to wrestle with the serious problem of balancing the damages, from the closures vs. from openings. The overall increase in numbers in Oregon would suggest not extending the reopening, but my view of the data...rather limited of course...doesn't suggest tightening restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 4 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: Now I'm getting Planet of the Apes flashbacks... Hey, you might up with young Linda Harrison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 I don't think I could up with contemporary Linda Harrison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BNakagawa Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 On 6/26/2020 at 12:04 PM, Old Man said: THE NEW RECORD FOR DETECTED COVID CASES SO FAR... Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: I don't think I could up with contemporary Linda Harrison. I tried to build your morale TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 UPS: COVID-driven package volume similar to peak holiday season (or, This is why your package is late) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 US buys up nearly the entire world's supply of Remdesivir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 I suppose the positive in that story is, at least the US government is spending on something to help victims. Too little too late, and it leaves the rest of the world hanging in the wind, but still. Matt the Bruins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 Didn't I read somewhere that the average American will have to pay over $1200 (after insurance) for a typical treatment regimen of Remdesivir? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 11 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: I suppose the positive in that story is, at least the US government is spending on something to help victims. Too little too late, and it leaves the rest of the world hanging in the wind, but still. Of course, you're assuming the victims will actually GET it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, Cygnia said: Of course, you're assuming the victims will actually GET it... Actually, no, I wasn't. For one thing... 23 minutes ago, Pariah said: Didn't I read somewhere that the average American will have to pay over $1200 (after insurance) for a typical treatment regimen of Remdesivir? It will be something like that, naturally. God forbid that a drug company offer something non-profit even during a pandemic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Neilson Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 48 minutes ago, Pariah said: Didn't I read somewhere that the average American will have to pay over $1200 (after insurance) for a typical treatment regimen of Remdesivir? 21 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: It will be something like that, naturally. God forbid that a drug company offer something non-profit even during a pandemic. It's easy to toss out comments like that. I wonder what the cost would be if the drug company removed its profit margin. Would the researchers who developed the drug (and all of those working to develop other treatments) be expected to work for free? How about the doctors, nurses and support staff at the medical facilities where the treatment will be administered? Should the components with which the drug is manufactured be donated by their manufacturers (or at least reduced to no profit margin)? Do you expect the transport companies that ship the drug to do so at no profit, and the employees who transport the drug to donate their time? Every organization along the chain has premises and overhead costs - should those be donated by landlords, office supply companies, utility companies, etc.? The reality is that nothing is free, and every cost along the chain adds to the cost of the treatment. ScottishFox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 I'm not talking forever and for everything. I'm talking now, for this one medication. In a crisis many people do work for free to help others; but it doesn't even have to go that far. Bring the price down enough to just cover expenses of manufacturing and delivery during the pandemic. It's not like doing that will bankrupt the company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Democracy Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Hugh Neilson said: I wonder what the cost would be if the drug company removed its profit margin. I think the article gives an idea of that Quote Gilead has been criticised in recent days for its decision to charge $2,340 (£1,990) for a typical remdesivir treatment course for people covered by government health programmes in the US and other developed countries. In 127 poor or middle-income countries, the company is allowing generic makers to supply the drug; two countries are doing that for around $600 per treatment course. I reckon the cost, with the company waiving any profit (but covering costs such as scientists wages), might be somewhere between $600 and $700.... TrickstaPriest, Lord Liaden and Matt the Bruins 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 Wasn't HIV treatment free in some African countries due to the Aids epidemic there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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